Level 22 - Unapologetically Wacky

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My name is David Petraeus, yellow, and it's a good thing.
These two ninja buddies happen to be around just in time for
this giant spaceship to come along and try and turn a castle
into a stage and wait again, wait, why is that guy in his
underwear was happening here?

Well, that's just some vague
quips about our level. 22 game.

Mystical ninja featuring goemon.
On a new guest, will be joining this week to talk about the game
and their experience with a

Nintendo 64.
I'm very excited to have him on before that, though.
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Alright without further Ado,
let's bust out the history books, everyone.
It's time to head back to April of 1998.
Mystical ninja starring goemon was developed by Konami first
titled.

On bar a going on, five the
Japanese producers instead wanted to shed the numerical
naming pattern and landed on the eventual title of mystical
ninja.

All this in order to just drive
the point home and emphasize that this time around, you were
definitely playing something different.
Now the game just like its predecessors, initially had a
two-player co-op mode but over the final months, leading up to
release that was completely scrapped.
Something many reviews at the time pointed out as a
disappointment, but Called ninja worked with 128 MB in that N64
cartridge.

So with Co-op not there anymore
this allowed devs to favor something else and we talked
about this in a couple moments but the high quality musical
numbers and voice samples are what took its place.
Konami released a set of early, renders of the game and of
goemon posing and showing off facial features for magazine
previews at the time.

And then not long after an early
build of the game was featured at E3. 87, but that's not it.
Konami wasn't done there.

They later.
Presented a nearly finished build at the Tokyo game show in
September of 97 and children were the main target for
mystical ninja.

So in typical 90s fashion, what
did Konami do?

Well, of course, as expected,
scheduled appearances of going on, mascots at school,
gymnastics competitions in

Japan.
Now, I mentioned the music and sound a minute ago.
The soundtrack is a collaboration.
Four different composers, the team knew they had a set of
solid track on their hands.

So they use these musical
numbers and remix one of the songs called I am impact and
release it on a CD on October 3rd of 1997.
Now, the games mild released in eastern markets, prompted the
production of an animated show as well.
Now, bear with me again here, but it went a little something
like this goemon fights off evil.
Doers, after being transported to a modern society where he
becomes, Besties with an elementary school student, why
reasons?

That's why the show was planned
for release in North America over a year before the game's
release but then it was delayed by another full year and
ultimately never made its way to

North American Shores.
Mystical ninja starring goemon sold, 55 thousand units in North
America and 141,000 in Japan.

All right, there's little look
back at the game itself.

Let's talk about this way.
Wacky adventure with our guests.

Right?
As always everybody, and remember 64, it's time to bring
in a special guest.

Another new guest this time.
I'm very, very excited, talk about this game with Danny as
ours.

Special guest this week.
Danny, how are you man?

I'm not too bad.
You decided to get me up at 6:30 in the morning but you know
apart from that.

It's all good.
How are you?

I'm okay, I'm okay, I feel
terrible but I'm also very excited so I'm conflicted.
No, honestly, it's so good.

I do my recordings at 6:00 in
the morning because otherwise

I'm not able to speak to anyone
who lives in America, Britain,

Canada, because I'm living
Australia.

Yeah.
Which is kreitman.

I mean like the things people do
to talk and talk about video games and play video games.
No, it's very impressive.

You've got like, I've done five
am, I've done 5 a.m. for some people, I'm like, oh my God, my
wife's just hit me like you prick.
You got to be done, it's got to be done.
Gotta be done, right?

It's just just got a scratch
that itch.

So so you're up that early,
you're doing fun stuff out there.
You got your own show going on when we when we tell people a
little bit about that before we jump in.
Yeah, so I do my own podcast, cool retro Wars and basically
each week I get a guest on behalf of the show is just me
dicking around talking about news games and stuff.
Like, Like big more own little games and then the other half is
talking about the selected game.

We go from probably the Nez
Master System up until the moment.
I think we've done the, we a few of them.
It's just basically just dicking around and it's not mean
praising.

Every game.
There are some ones like our one-year show is this week and
doing The Bouncer and I'm not gonna lie that games a pile of
shite oh don't be happy one year one year.
Let's do a shit game and yeah it's just a basically a shit
talk each week.

And then yeah, people might
agree with it.

People might disagree with it
but me, it's all good fun at the end of the day.
That's it.

Exactly.
Right.

And that, and that's kind of
what this show is to.

You know, there's definitely
going to be games that we're going to come across and we
already already have at this point.
We're sitting at almost one year as well for us for the show too.
And for the most part, we've been lucky, we've played some
pretty good stuff and every once while you're going to hit a
stinker or sort of Middle Ground gaming, yeah, that's fine.
It is what it is.

As long as you had fun, talking
about it and playing it.

That's not good.
That's possibly Well okay you and you say have fun playing it,
they're all going to be some

Dame's, you're not good enough
or you're not gonna have fun playing that on tape II am.
So I it's sad that I'm so excited to play that game.
Again.

Another remember II, just I want
to know.

I want to, I don't really
remember what it felt like playing it as a kid, because I'm
pretty sure I rented it from the store a couple times at that,
well, I just know.

Yeah, I that's it.
That's all I've experienced is high, is it a couple of times?
You should have realized the first time.
Oh, this game is crap.

I lost highly cream.
Well, where do I start with that question?
That's the other.

The reason why is I want I want
to I want to be a part of this.

This not.
It's not a bandwagon because it's pretty well known that.
It's a terrible game but I really want to experience just
how bad it is.

I don't love shitting on games,
but if you have to, you just have to, you know, and at least
at the skull Ian it's sort of like when something something.
Not so great happens to you nothing serious.
But something silly.

Oh, I slipped and I whatever
stub my toe or sounds like oh well at least you got a story
out of it or I did this or someone at work said that at
least you got a story out of it.

At least I'll get a podcast out
of it.

Is he your father, too nice.
If I get a shit game, I will shit all over it and then
literally drink the tears of everybody else.
You don't like it.

So I did Spyro + IP missing your
own of my robotic.

I'm fine.
But she's exactly.

Not everything holds up, man.
Not everything folds up like just because it's a fun
character doesn't mean it's going to be a great game.
Correct?

Correct, exactly.
So before we get into into, into this game more specifically,
what was what was your experience with 64 before I
guess before today like growing up?
They did you have one?

Was it some yeah?
Awesome.

Yeah and I that was like my next
my second games, got Waller, they third games console, after
my Mega Drive.

Oh Jesus Jenna fifth.
And Game Boy and then eventually the N64 came out and my cousin,
did I?

Hi, I can't remember.
But at the time, as I sold my mega drive, all my stuff, my
Mega Drive, put it in the local paper, sold everything and then
with the mountain it with the money managed to get an N64 with
an extra controller and Mario 64.
So that was raised was the star.

Yeah.
Yeah.

That was the start of my N64 and
had it.

I think I've still got the N64
somewhere, not it's not behind move or anyone things move it
somewhere.

I just don't know where it is.
It's somewhere in my old house.

I don't know if it still works.
I'll be impressed if it does.

You know what?
Like I have my original SNES that I bought when I was 8 or
something like that.

Would I think still that thing
still works, man.

It's like, I haven't done
anything special, I never cleaned.
It never did any sort of, like maintenance do it.
If that still works and was stored God knows where for the
last 15, to 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if her in 64, Works
him, it's coming.

It's the Same plastic with a
couple of chips, I mean I wouldn't yeah that's all it is,
you surprised?

Yeah yeah maybe a little bit of
dust cleaning or whatever.

But other than that I wouldn't
be surprised if it works.

As long as the cartridges are in
pretty good shape I would assume the console is is fine.
So hey if you find it it's worth a test run.
That's for sure.

And it's like find the game's
do.

They owe what?
Like the only ones any N64 games?
I have to handle these two

Japanese elders and brother got
me for Christmas and that he's so otherwise, I don't know.
All games like I got my old

Gameboy games but yeah the N64
games although they'll be somewhere hidden around in a
house or somewhere back in

England.
Yeah there's always there's always a few things lying around
is a few SNES and 64 games.

I just found that happened to be
in my stuff and somehow not at my parents place is like how'd
this get here pleasant surprise?

I mean, it's a good problem to
have, you know so badly.

Yeah, okay, so was now we're I
dip my toes into two.

Of the Goldman games a little
bit and the over the last couple weeks, the first one is Mystical
ninja.

Starring goemon.
That's yeah, the original.

And then there's the Great
Adventure of Gomen.

What's the name of it here?
I should have this in front of me.
Goldman's Great Adventure.

That's what it is which is sort
of like the sequel.

I'm I mostly played mystical
ninja starring goemon.

Let's just call that the first
one.

We'll just go back that way.
What was your experience playing this?
When you were younger, is this?

That you sort of found later on
now, it's a festival to be a dick.
It's not Goin.

It's Goin on.
There's this.

Wait a minute goemon, there's a
dick.

Fuck dick move for his from the
off.

No, no.
And honestly, I'm sitting there and I'm trying to figure out how
to see is even if it's like is a

Gaiman, you know.
Like it could be something like that but uh, so going in.
Yeah, it going on going on.

Okay, there we go.
All right.

I learned something today.
I love it.

Played against See, full
version.

You wonder.
He's called Gaiman considering what goes on in this game.
Especially beginning.

Oh Jesus.
There's so much my cousin, my cousin as parents.
You are one of them works and for British Airways.
So he's always going across the world going across America.
And he always used to bring back like random games because they
had the money.

He was just like ego ego.
You go?

Who also adding my cousin, my
cousin's.

Dad had no idea when it came to
what video games are.

Prevalent at the time.
I'm so we just basically bought anything.
So my cousin was her around the house and look around, family
house, every Saturday, like what the, what are you brought this
time and he'll bring stuff like

Bomberman, 64, he had.
Well, the ones he had, I don't go home on, he had going on I
was like, what the fuck is this and my other cousin had
introduced us and Japanese culture through animes and Mel's
pork or mostly violent animes.

So this was kind of like, wow,
animes can be nice so we kind of picked it up.
And I we've started playing and

I thought, oh, this is actually
really cool.

And so I asked if I could borrow
it for a little bit and I get took it back home and blitzed
it.

Absolutely blitzed it and fell
in love with it.

Nice, nice.
Yeah, I had, I think I sent you a couple messages, and we were
sort of talking about what about the series a little bit.
I had the original, it's I think it's considered the original,
but I do believe the one that came out and yeah, the one in a
SNES 91-92, I think is when I came out of this in North
America, anyway, I have that game.
It is it is in the room beside me in Pile of my SNES games and
I do I remember really like enjoying it because the music
was really cool.

I could play with my brother, it
was you could play co-op which is not super common, especially
then and you know, you kind of just go around and I didn't
really know what was going on.

You know, some areas ghost
popped up sometimes you just walk into like an end sometimes
you can play Minigames.

Like there's all these little
things in it that were just fun to do.
As far as like progressing ever in it, I don't think we ever
really got very far at all.

We were just little kids at the
time, but that's my experience with this series at, and that's
it.

That's where it starts and ends.
And I just remember having a good time with it, and I know
that at least one of these games existed on the N64, but I never
played them because as we discussed, before we hit record,
I played all the typical N64 games growing up.
You know, it was Mario Kart, it was Mario Party, it was Mario
64, like, things like that.

All the stuff that we've talked
about and will probably continue to talk about on this on this
podcast.

But like it was cool to go back
to these characters that I recognized from 30 years ago
honestly and play them in a different in a different world
in 3D.

And I was like wow they realized
the characters pretty well for a fairly early N64 game.
I think I thought it was going to look really muddy.
Really like rough around the edges and for an early 3D game
to take it from fully 2D to this.
I think they did a pretty good job with it honestly.
Just just the way it looks.

Well, that's the thing.
If this is pre Zelda, this was free Zelda, just post Mario.
So it was a massive, massive

Adventure.
Like Mario fair enough, you know, you jump, you levels, you
do this but this was trying to bring like RPG elements and
Quest elements into it and it was a huge undertaking when you
compare it to what we have now.

Yeah, fair enough.
It doesn't, it doesn't look as polished as other games.
They do now, but you can still play that and still have an
absolute time and still, you have to go into it with the
understanding that.

She's a very Japanese game a
very for Western audiences at the time, they had no idea what
this game was and a lot.

Other themes like a be tomorrow
is basically coming out of the shop in the first few minutes in
his underpants because that's

Japanese culture.
They do that sort of shit.

But that's not like it's so like
I know that he was sort of a

Goofy character even in that
game that I was into the SNES game.
He always had like the sort of funnier or more wacky, you know,
text and Dialogue and stuff like that.
But then office, like, literally to start the game with him
running out of I think they're in a tea shop or something.
Yeah, score any runs on.

He's literally in his underwear
and he just says, you know, I thought he really wanted to give
it here.

I thought he would give us a
deal because I was going to do a dance and I'm just like, what is
what's happening in this game.

All right, like nothing has
happened, but everything has happened in that one moment.
It's like if you get the game over screen, if you get the game
over screen in this, you get the depth three devils.
And basically in the loop hands doing the hula.
Oops.

It's like got what the absolute
Focus happening.

What is happening is happening.
This is this is Japanese culture and it was such a in your face
so it's a percent.

It's not about forcing.
It was great.

I got Ike I said I was kind of
used to it a little bit from watching certain anime.
I know from a lot of people like what the fuck?
And it was.

Well, that's, that's honestly,
that's my reaction to stuff like this.
I am not an anime person.

I don't, I don't like dislike
it.

I just have not had a ton of
experience with it.

Very typical stuff that, you
know, I don't even know if he said a name, I'd be like, sure.
I think I've watched some of that but nothing, nothing deep
nothing, you know, and this is later in life, I never watched
anime growing up and stuff.

So, like, even just seeing this.
Now, as an adult in my mid-30s,

I'm just like, what?
I don't what, what?

But, but after that first, first
couple of scenes, And you try and figure out what's going on
even though I don't really know what's going on, but it it also
doesn't matter and a same time in some ways because you just
appreciate the goofiness and what they're going for and it
looks ridiculous sometimes but like how what their what they
need to bring to life with like some of the larger characters
and stuff.

It just looks so insane, but it
doesn't take itself.

Super seriously either?
Which I, which I appreciate that makes a huge difference because
some games like this, We'll just take themselves seriously.
And then you're just like, okay really?
Is that really what you're doing here?
Like come on, let's just have some fun, and I think this game
is Just straight-up having fun with itself, which is amazing.
It is like the plot itself is stupid, like two people from
another planet.

Basically want to make
themselves, the best dancers in the world and saying turn it
into it and like basically Ed 0s

Castle into a European castle.
And that's the floor and you're trying to stop these two aliens
from singing and dancing.

On the way to the world that is
the pot and this is no way around that, but it's stupid but
it knows it's stupid and that's what makes it so good.
Like, right, we, you know, you're not again, you're not
taking it too.

Seriously, you know exactly what
you are.

You going to take it for what it
is and just enjoy the ride and whatever happens, just enjoy it.
Like, literally, let's be honest.
A matter of shit that goes on in this game, like from this two
giant robots, it knows exactly what it is.
It's it's, it's wacky.

It's straight-up wacky.
Like that is what it is from.

Start to finish from a ninja
running out with, with no clothes on to a giant ship, that
turns a castle, into a different type of Castle.
I guess you could call it, like, all the stuff you just talked
about two, giant robots, and everything, but I wrote miles,
it's good, right?

Jab, when it comes down to it.
Yeah.

The robot battles and everything
else, like what's your feel?

I don't know how long it's been
since you last played this.

But what's your feel with how
the gameplay actually feels now, right back to it?
I think it's still like, I had to play.
I did it for my own.

Show me my cousin.
Actually covered it and we went back and we still love it.
I can.

Yeah, nice going back.
And just when you first go through the forest and so the
first bit of land and you hear the music and both both e
message me.

That's like, he was like, oh my
God, the music just kicked in out yet that music, I haven't
heard if like 12 15 years, but I remember it and then, yeah, it's
the camera handles like shite the platforming of the bits.
You have to do aren't amazing but you just go.
Okay, so the N64 controller, you know?
Yeah.

Yeah, I gotta deal with it, you
know, it's not it's a bit cumbersome, especially when you
use an impact, the robot.

It's not like you expecting
these huge Mech battles to flow, but it doesn't, but it's still
fun.

And that's why I think maybe
Nostalgia help me down the line on that one because it helped
push me.

So, okay, I can look past these
floors, doesn't matter how bad it is.
I've still got to enjoy myself.

Where's as someone like
yourself?

I can imagine, okay, this isn't,
you know, maybe as great but you didn't have those installed your
Glasses to help you over the line.
Yeah, so that is a difference for sure.
I was more interested, just to see how they took this game that
I sort of recognized from 2D to 3D and see how they filled out
the world and everything.

And honestly like, yeah, sure,
some of the areas, but this is for a lot of early 3D games on
the N64, especially and PS1, but like, you know, some of the
worlds are just populated with the same characters over and
over and over again.

It's very, you know, it's not a
whole bunch of like density or whatever, but that's okay.
I get it at that doesn't bother me.
None of that stuff.

But for the Most part actually,
like the only thing that that quote, unquote annoyed me, or I
thought was less fine-tuned than the other stuff is the
traversal, like the jumping on platforms and stuff, mainly
because the jump feels very like.
It feels like he doesn't jump quite enough or they carry can
quite jump, especially, you know, the main two characters.
I think they have like this really awkward jump.
Whereas now I can't remember the other, the little guy's name it.
That's cakes that.

Yeah, he's a little bit more
agile.

He's supposed to be right.
And that's fine.

But every once in awhile, the
traversal because of the camera, it's and because of the way they
jump, it's not great.

But other than that honestly,
like hitting enemies collecting items, you know, just sort of
making your way through the, I guess, battle areas or open
spots or some of the enemies are coming after you.
I actually found it totally fine.
You know, like I honestly I thought it was going to be super
clunky and just be like oh boy this is going to be rough, but
it's actually not.

I think it actually controls
fairly well, other than the jump.
Traversal stuff.

And yeah, it was always Pleasant
pleasantly surprised and I didn't have that Nostalgia to
hold me through it.

So yeah, because I remember
message, you know, you never played and I was like, you'll
enjoy this one, it's an experience, I think?
Yeah, it's still one that it's a good length game.
Like if you want to get the most out of it, like, did you ever
watch?

I don't think you did.
You complete it.

Did you complete this game?
I came, I came close.

So I was looking at because they
jumped between the two, which maybe I shouldn't have done.
Maybe I would have completed it, but you're right.
It is not a short game.

There's a lot here and not even
just because like just the main

I guess you could call it story
arc is that but there's a lot of like little things you can go
and figure out going to like 100 different shops and areas and
talk to a bunch of different characters which like you
mentioned.

I think a few minutes ago the
RPG element of this isn't that your you have like a skill tree
or any of that kind of stuff.

It's not, that kind of idea.
It's that you're going into all these different open areas,
essentially and you're talking to characters and they'll give
you important Items that sometimes you need, what you
don't realize, you need, until you get to that point.
And that's a little bit of old-school, you know, game
design where it's like, well, talk to everybody and eventually
you'll get what you mean.

I don't love that, but also
that's just, that's just the time.
That's just what they're able to do and what their limitations
are and cartridges.

And it's fine, whatever, right?
But at least you get to like, appreciate the world that you're
in and the characters that are around you, right, and the
writing is hitting Miss I think because the translation isn't
great, but at least you get that opportunity to do that.
They're all problems of the translation like because they've
got a laughing track behind it.

Yes, that's right.
Sometimes they'll just they'll just you hear the ha ha ha.
And you're like, what?

What was that time is a joke
that I leave the TV on upstairs.

Like, what was that?
But because the translation there was some translation
errors, you kind of get there, okay?
I don't think they understand the Western audience.
I don't think we understand the humor.
I think we've met States here but that's like it but again
that just adds to the stupidity of at all.
So I don't again I don't criticize it for that.
I'm like, it's very early days.

This is like barely internet
functioning time.

So I don't when it comes to
translation errors, I might you can be forgiven.
This is again like the old Final

Fantasy games.
I don't care.

The translation is shaky.
It's one of them, you know, you can tell the internet came
along, when translation was perfected.
I don't really have an issue with it.
No.

And it's not Terrible.
It's not like you can't follow what they're saying, it's just
okay.

The the joke lands a little bit
flat.

So what, you know?
Yeah, I've read and seen worse things before than what's in
this.

So exactly.
Did you ever is at one point?

It was so Animalia, did you ever
watch Dragon Ball, Z 4 bits and pieces here?
And there, I couldn't tell you where the storyline went, or,
what parts of the story line?

Because I know it's very deep
story and history and everything but from time to time.
Yes.

Right.
So the reason why Dragon Ball Z 0, because this two parts one I
can I completely forgot one of them and going on, has like
power-ups and they all have like these certain you know items
want to goemon's power-ups.

Is that his hair turns
completely yellow spikes up in the other.
I was like holy shit.

That's super saiyan and it's yes
the Super Saiyan as like it's exactly what I thought of exact
because his hair is already spiky, it's perfect just color
yellow or yellow and he's they've done a sign of the
Hedgehog the and March and March to the Dragon Ball Z University.
Verse and the opening song.

Okay, now I played that when I
played it again, I listened to over that watched every moment.
Well yeah, that's a cameo.

What?
Well that is the same guy who does the Shalala for Dragon Ball
Z and what the fuck, how did I miss this?
Oh, what.

No way.
I was like that.

So again message because him and
shit, Stephen get on this and he rested table.
Seriously.

Yes.
Yes.

Well, that's the other thing
too.

Is that When I was looking up
sort of the development of this game and sort of how it came to
be because you know, like when they bring things from Japan
over to Europe and North

America, like it's always take
some time and there's a translation and always, you
know, this is a Japanese game like you mentioned very, very
much that and they had to find a way to bring it to other markets
and everything so it took a little bit of time to get over,
but one of the things instead of having like voiceover or instead
of having like other fancy bells and whistles in the game, they
really like kicked.

But with the music like that's
all that this game and it's awesome.
It's awesome.

All the way through the music is
the music hits.

I honestly put this down that
the mystical Ninja 2.

Soundtrack is one of the best on
the end 60.

It's in the top five for the
N64.

It is so good Hooper and I said,
it's a soundtrack that I've not played this game, 15 odd years,
and then I heard it again.

Just, you know, just make a
little bit of watching a video and it was the when they were
walking through the forest of

Doom.
Do do, do, do, do, do, do.

Not at all.
My God it's coming back and everything just flowed back and
was like, and that's a sign of a good soundtrack.
If you can just hear the first few seconds and you're in that
that hates really.

It's like you know you listen to
words like Chrono Trigger Final

Fantasy, the moment you listen
to the even a bit of that song you can just you could play the
rest of the song in your head.

Yeah, yeah.
And it takes, you back, takes you back to the on the floor,
sitting on the couch, whatever it was where you play the game
and that's actually that's something that happened to me in
this game as well, because I think it's the music.
Like, I know it's the music in the first or second town of the
SNES game that I played.

It's the same sort of very
similar tone and and music notes in this.
Yeah, that opening section the town and I was like, oh I just
it's so it sounds so great.

I'm like this is me at six years
old, sitting in front of this game that I had no idea what was
going on.

I was just whacking ghosts and
people in the village to pick up coins and all right.
Cool great and like that's what

I felt.
In a 3D space.

It was like, man.
This is great, like they really, they really knocked out of the
park.

They were gonna do co-op with
this game, which I think would have been awesome, but one of
the things they left out was

Co-op so that they could make
the sound and, and the world's be a little bit more lively.
So the sound I think music, especially, I think that's okay.
I think it's okay that they favored that because it is very,
very well done.

And it's yeah, it's definitely a
standout, the, the music.

And this is definitely one of
the highlights.

It's for sure.
I got think if they do it, I kind of disagree with a co-op.
I think if they did, you guys do it, it would have been a bit
clunky and you would have taken away.
I think 3D games like this.

I can't think of many, like you
think of Ocarina of Time would that have worked as Co-op?
And probably, I don't think it would out, maybe you could do
it.

Like, if you had two different
screens, but I think if you're doing split screen on money
would take away from a lot of what you were meant to be
seeing, but they definitely.

Yeah.
Well, they did, they brought

Co-op back for the second.
And 64 game, which fuck me?

I want to cover that because
that is hard as balls the second game 100%.
So, I spent some time in it and notice that it was co-opted
offered.

Like, every time I'm playing,
it's like one of the got one of the screens of the bottom where
it says, you know, two player

Press Start.
You can jump in, has multiple characters like it does in the
first one, like, in this, which, by the way, having multiple
characters.

Basically, from the start, is a
great idea in this game.

I absolutely love.
She's, you know, yeah, it right away and they Have different.
You have different reasons why you need them, especially as you
get further into the game.

Like, at the beginning, I was
like, okay, well, I'll just play as one or the other and
eventually, I'll switch back and forth.
But really, as you get at least a third of the way through this
game, you're like, okay.

Now I really need to find a way
to use all of them, which is, yeah, not something that
happened.

Very often at this time.
No, because you got guy, won't go onto the pipe Sasuke had the
bomb.

I think it was an awesome.
He what the jetpack?

Well, then what?
It was, it's ask as well.

Thank you all so scared of jet.
I think it was.

Yeah.
I was yeah.

Every character had their own
usage making swim and I was like, okay well yeah I'll make
it with the girls.

Could swear the female assassin?
Yep.

Can swim.
You know, she could swim and to everyone and be tomorrow could
go really tiny and I was like, everyone's got their own little
thing and they've got their own animations for.
When they walk like Services, murders a little floaty or where
he's sort of like, just he's grooving, man, he's screaming.
Like I was walking around in circles with him, to the music.
I was like, this guy's got the beat going.
This is like a rhythm game.

It's just him walking walking,
he's having the time of his life, but everybody is
everybody's got their own unique thing.
And I said, yeah, it's four characters in one and again,
link basically, if you are look at it compared to Legend of
Zelda because there's going to be those comparisons.
Sure, Link.

Has basically all those items in
hand.

The way they cover that in this
game is a basically.

Okay, each character is going to
be an item but it just freshens up the gameplay the whole time.
Yeah, you're right.

And they all like because they
all do different things like

Even just just with any sort of
quote unquote, upgradeable weapons or any of that kind of
like just their basic abilities and movement are different.
So already you feel the second, you take three steps with each
character.

You feel like you're playing
something different.

Yeah.
And and and yeah they have a use case for each one.
It's not just because you want to look at something different
it's because they all do what they need to do in a special way
and I think that's that's awesome and the sequel does that
as well but I didn't have as much experience.
With that because I wanted to favor this one because I was
having a good time playing this in like a 3D World.
They go back to 2D.

They entered reintroduce Coop
and you're right.

It is balls hard, man.
Like it is tough.

I got a few levels and I'm like,
yeah, I'm gonna go back to the other one.
Yeah, Gary.

And I had this, I bought the
original, the second one.

I know, I bought the first one
I've got on eBay.

I remember I saw that someone.
I was like, haha, but that's a lot harder to get, hold of and
II need to play the second one because it's one of those.
It was a great game, it was goemon's last game, I think it
was yeah, Brown, Konami just won't do anything with him apart
from Palermo.

Just something they could
there's something they could do with these characters.
I think because because they have so much personality.
Yeah, they could definitely insert them into into another
adventure.

Whether it's 2D or 3D and really
do something Goofy with it.

And I think in a like good
goofy, just like these and

Baffles me that we haven't seen
another NGO, mon gate.

That's like just throw one out
there and it's fucking Konami being Konami, but to say how
much he still prevalent I did you play Smash Brothers, Smash.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's yeah, I know it's crazy.
It's like make just make it look, make them make the team
sort of like to do with the

Pokemon trainer.
Make a team, the character?

Yeah, make all four of them, are
three of them, whatever money.

They want to throw in there,
make that so you can like swap them in and out and stuff.
Like, I think, that'd be so fun.

Because you'd have like four
different characters in four different things.
And it's a great way to just put the whole roster in there.
It's a honestly, when I said let's get him back in games.
It's a first thing I thought of is like, do some sort of Smash
thing.

It would, they can have them in
one.

They can have them in the next
one.

Like, she I should have forgot
about go, I think because I did my on as a patron episode, it
was like the top 10 characters.

I'd love to see in Smash Bros
and I forgot about going on because he's already in there is
a me skin to make The Woodsman shit, you wouldn't know.
Awesome yet the idea.

I wasn't even thinking the idea
of doing all four as a switch, that's even better.
I just find that.

Yeah, I just find that Pokémon
trainer thing.

Like it's doesn't matter if it's
like the meta or doesn't matter if it's the best care.
I just find that idea that they did with that with that fighter,
really cool because you just have three different choices.
I think is really awesome

Pokemon trainers.
My favorite II?

That's what I mean.
I guessed off with squirrel.

I just go round going with the
little n withdrawal.

I just go keep using that.
I'm pissing people off because just funny.
Awesome.

Yeah Michelle.
And then went inside, right?

Nations are all cool at all.
Looks really great.

So then they've got 90% by
Health might write.

Charizard just fire, please.
Let's go.

Let's go.
Don't you die?

I looked for one trainer.
I wish they'd bring blue.

Fuck, that's the one thing bring
blue as a trainer but they don't see him and red and green.
Sorry, this is meat.

I'm a Pokemon nerd.
That's just my new man.

But yeah, I lose my game.
Lose my guilt.

Garrymon would have been just
awesome.

Yeah, yeah, it would be really
cool and something, definitely different and really like
inserting really.

I don't know if it was going to
be intense, but intense is not the right way to say it.
Really unique Japanese culture into a game like that, like
yeah, game like smash is very, you know worldwide.
It's definitely not just North

American or european or anything
like that but it is a worldwide thing but a little bit more of
that in there I think would put a lot of character into it as
well because this game mystical ninja is just full of wacky
character moments and there's so many crazy characters like
Mentioned earlier, there's giant robot battles that are just like
something you've never seen in any other game, or really sense
with the way that it's put in there.
And like, man, it's, they have so many ideas smashed into this
game.

I didn't expect it to be this
big and full of random cool things.
I really, really didn't.

And it's all there, it's all
there man.

Yeah, I think there was one bit,
which I, I know, Japanese culture a little bit now and a
bit jarring and mentioned briefly yourself.
You just like, why are we doing this?
And it was when they get into impact and there's the whole
impact song, actually play the whole song.
Every time you face impact for the reason is, is because that
is what Jack Japan do?

I guys like, what old Japanese
anime, like old Gundams from the 79, they can thanks is only
nine.

They do that sort of shit that's
their culture.

But to American audiences will
be like the Power Rangers and we like, well, they get in about 10
seconds and that the go, go go.

But I know now, why are we
having a whole three-minute song that's your pan.
That is just the way it is.

Yeah, typically Japan and again,
it's culture shock now, if we play the, okay, we've Seen a lot
of Japan now because of like media is kind of introduced us
to that but the time I was like this is going on a long.
Yeah, no come on, definitely what I thought, definitely what
I thought, I'm not gonna lie.

I mean, it's not terrible.
But I also like nowadays were used to you know, when something
last longer than a minute it's like a skip button pops up.
Just, you know, whether it's TV or video games, like it, just if
you've seen it once, you've seen it already, but yeah, you're
right.

They're not apologizing for
their culture and what they

Bring to this game into this
world and that's you know maybe as a kid I would have been like
oh my God could you please hurry up?
I don't want to but now I'm just like okay, yeah sure.
It's I can spare the extra couple of minutes and I'm okay.
I'm okay.

Sit with you ready?
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.

So, I mean really, man, I don't
think it's like the greatest game at all on all parts, but I
don't think that's that's know what it's going for or what
you're even saying either.

But I had a great time.
I still had a really fun time with it and I I'm pleasantly
surprised once again and a game that I never played and barely
knew anything about that.

I got to play it.
So I want to say thank you for suggesting this game mold.
As I said, yeah, it doesn't.

It's not trying to go Game of
the Year.

It's just basically a wholesome
fully experience and it did it do what it says on the tin.
Yeah, I did 100%.

You didn't play this.
Now, you still enjoy yourself.

Amazing.
Yeah, for sure.

And definitely it's, you know,
expect a game that doesn't last a couple hours, it's got some
meat behind the bones here, it's really pretty decent, and
honestly the character variety I think was probably that in the
music where the two standouts for me.
And if that sounds interesting to you at all and you have any
chance of Replay at least the first one here, mystical ninja,
then I say go for it.

So Danny man, I really
appreciate it.

Thanks for taking the time to
dig that back into this game.

And and jump on the show, I
appreciate it.

Thank you.
No, thank you for having me on.

I really appreciate it.
This is my first ever coop, coop

Mission.
So this is a pleasure, so thank you for easy me into it.
Gently no problem here, to help man here to help and before I
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