Level 50 - Checking Our G-Diffusers

They're on me.
I'm getting careless.

Hey, Einstein, I'm on your side.
What the heck?

Welcome to Remember 64 for the
50th official episode of the podcast.
And of course, that means this week we have to kill a.
Barrel roll.

Welcome to the show everyone.
Whether this is your first episode or you have been with us
for 50 along the way.

My name is David Pitrangelo and
sorry Boomer, I will not be doing a barrel roll this time.
Jiggy, look Back is joining me,

Sir.
Hello.

Hi.
Hi, welcome to this semi celebratory episode of. 50
episodes Mike Gosh.

What the heck have we done?
I'm sorry, everybody.

I'm sorry deeply.
Of course Jiggy's with me.

But of course, we had to bring
Luigi's apartment back once again, Sir.
How's it going, man?

Welcome to the Back to the Show.
Those who cross Andros will die.

Hi Sir how are ya?
Hi, how's it going?

Good, Good.
Good, good.

And.
My brain totally blanks, like completely with Star Fox 64
quotes, even though, like, I could probably pull a billion
out.

I just like couldn't think of
anything.

It's almost like there's too
many.

That's the that's the issue.
There's it's just it's a it's a game of 1 liners like that's.
You can.

Say there it is.
You've gotten careless.

Oh yeah.
All right.

Well, the three of us are are
here on the show, but of course because this is a celebratory
type of episode, because this is a massive game to be talking
about of Star Fox 64, we have to have a full four person team for
this.

We are Star Fox.
Chris from A novel Console is here.
Chris, welcome to the show for the first time.
Thank you.

And Dave, I'm sorry, but can't
let you brood at Starbucks or

Starbucks.
Bucks something.

About coffee and a Yeah, yeah,
something about coffee and a dog.
Dude. 50 episodes is insane.

Congratulations.
Thank you.

I I know it's difficult.
I've seen a ton of podcasts that had a lot of potential to fizzle
out after three episodes.

And your quality and the way
that you sound and the product that you put out, dude, it's
incredible for 50, it's like you've been doing it forever.
Oh, I I, I've been doing it for probably too long, if you ask
some people out there.

But hey, here I am and here we
are.

We're doing, I mean.
I think a number of podcasts that I've made that have fizzled
out in around 3 episodes prepares you to make, you know,
quality entertainment.

It's all about preparation,
isn't it?

Yeah, 100%.
OK, so this is, like I said, we're, we're at, we're at 50,
we're at sort of a celebratory sort of episode here.
I guess it's, you know, you hit those like even numbers and
you're like, oh, that's awesome.

I just, I had to pick a larger
game, a more sort of standout title.
I've done a few in the past when the show first started, but this
was one that I wanted to hang on to for a while because I think
across the board it's pretty beloved.
You know, I don't think you can really find someone that says,
like, this game is terrible.

Maybe it's not your thing.
That's totally fine.

But I mean.
I have to throw this out here, please.
So in preparation for this just 'cause I was in the Star Fox
mood, I made a tweet and I was just like Star Fox 64 is one of
those games that I just, I can't fault it.
It's like, perfect.

I was like, what do you think?
And there were hundreds of replies of people either telling
me that it's one of their favorite games and they agree
that it's perfect, or just naming off a list of other
perfect games.

But no one was like Star Fox 64.
Like everyone generally really likes this game.
It's it's just, I don't know.

I perfect is hard to to
attribute to any kind of game movie, TV show, whatever.
I I don't want to say anything's perfect, but it's like there's
just something about the feeling when you play this game.
And I think that's what I always recaptured every time I've
turned this game on again.

And it happened once again over
the last couple weeks since I played.
I don't know, ten runs of this or something.
I just, I don't know why it's so easy to do.
It takes an hour at the most.

You know like it's it's all it's
it's so it's just flat out fun.

Before we dive too far into the
game itself, Chris, because you haven't been on the show before,
this is sort of our.

Hit the brakes.
Yeah, hit the hit the brakes, please.
You clearly have them all ready to go.
Whenever there's an opportunity to use them, please use them,
because I will forget Chris.

Let's let's chat a little bit
about your experience with the 64 and with Starfox.
Is this a console you grew up with?
Is it something came to later?

Is it sort of a a favorite, a
middle of the ground type of thing?
What's your experience with the with the console?
So the the 64 was the first console that I had that was
mine.

I did have a a Gameboy and you
know, neighbors, cousins.

Everybody had video game
consoles except for me.

And when I finally got one, my
parents got me one.

It was a 64.
It had Mario 64 and Torok.

I couldn't play Torok because I
was like 8 years old and my parents would not let me touch
it that.

Oh no dude, don't worry.
It wasn't that bad to the parents.
It's really not that bad.

It's just dinosaurs.
Yeah.

But and and the The thing is
that they had like the game complete in box in the trunk of
my mom's car and it haunted me.

It was there for months until
they decided to get rid of it.

No, but Star Fox, the first time
that I played it was at a neighbor's house.
He told me all about the Rumble pack, how the game looks, how it
was and I just couldn't believe it.
And went over to his house, played at the first stage over
and over again, because we kept dying.
And I was just mesmerized.

I I was well, we also died a lot
because my first language is

Spanish, it's not English.
So we didn't know what to do.

So when they told told us to hit
the brakes, we had no idea what the hell to do.
So did.

Mob ever find your location and
she?

Rob, I We noticed that the
button would start like flashing like crazy and we looked at the
controller trying to figure out what button we have to try which
one.

And then and then every time
after that it was like automatic reflex.
We see like a hint of yellow just popping up at the top of
the screen.

Just press the button.
Yeah, but you know, I told my parents they I rented it a bunch
of times from a local rental store and it was usually we
would get Pizza Hut, we would get a cheese pan pizza, Starfox,
and maybe some Carvel ice cream.

And that was my weekend.
Oh yeah, man, I I cannot tell you.
I cannot tell you the memories

Pan Pizza and Starfox brings
back.

So.
So good if you if you smell pizza, do you also smell
Starfox?

And if you smell Starfox, do you
also smell pizza?

Is that kind of like how your
brain is wired now?

Usually, Usually.
Well, usually it's pizza with

Starfox.
The problem is, I'm not a furry.

So because I'm not a furry, I
can't associate Starfox with pizza.
Fair enough.

Hey, I gotta ask.
You gotta ask, right?

You gotta just trying to.
Just trying to get get your story straight, that's all.
Just trying to figure it out.

You know, but it's the greatest
game of all time, and if you say otherwise, you're probably
wrong.

Oh, snap.
There it is.

I'm not gonna.
Disagree.

Yeah, it's yeah, it it's it's
hard to.

It's hard to to knock this.
I actually just because it's being pulled up right now in the
video.

I think the sound works.
I think when I accidentally pressed it a minute ago, you
guys probably heard it.

Very loud.
This is a very loud OK, I'm going to lower it then.
This one?

No, you're fine.
This part is.

The best and love love the way
this came.

Check your G diffuser.
System Did you guys check your G diffuser?
Before we started.

Falco here.
I'm fine.

I always check my cheek.
He's fine.

He's tonight.
Taco's tonight, All right now.

Also, Pepe is my Pepe is my the
boomer I was referring to.

Always telling you what to do,
thinking he knows what's best.

Sorry dude.
He He often does.

I He's stuck in the past, man,
He's stuck in the past.

I don't know.
I mean, he knows how to kill everything.
That's that's true.

That's true.
And he's like, he's like, yeah, look, it's weak.
It's weak points right here.

Just just murder it, Fox.
Like you know.

Yeah, Pepe.
Pepe knows what's up.

It's it's sad because like after
Star Fox 64, Pepe kind of takes a back seat where he's in the
game, but he's literally, he's never a pilot again, you know?
I.

Well, I mean, we don't even see
Falco in in Adventures, so.

I mean.
We till the end.

Yeah.
Till the end.

But he comes in, he comes in
like that hero, you know?

He comes in after they get paid
OK.

He smells money and walks in the
door.

But he feeds you a bunch of
bombs.

He's like, oh, you look like
you.

Can you smell?
Yes, I could.

Falco, thanks for showing up
just in the nick of time.

I recognize you.
Is Falco just miserable, or is he just like, yeah, this is
another day at the office.

Like, what's his deal?
Falco is the best pilot of the bunch.
Yeah, yeah, he's probably.

Know him?
Well, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.
And you know, the fact that he's the best pilot doesn't mean that
he's the best fighter pilot because he just not take anybody
down, he.

Yeah, it's it's like the
difference between a singer and a performer.
You know, that's.

Because you, that's because you
take out his hits, you know that was his.
He says that, right?

That was mine.
And then he gets salty about it.

And then he just refuses after
that.

Yeah, but but he like shoots
once every like 5 seconds and he expects those hit those shots to
hit like it's not gonna happen, dude.
Like, come on, you can't get salty afterwards.
It's not that easy, right?

Like it can't be.
I mean like.

He's all numbered.
I got to catch him.

I got to catch him.
I don't know if I actually do here.
I don't.

I don't know.
I.

Don't know does he actually do
anything though.

See that was.
Like he's supposed to be better.

Like, can you just mean like you
can leave him alone?

If he dies, does that mean
something bad?

Like, does Slippy going to die
because he's not around to, like, run cover on Slippy?
Right.

I don't know.
So they're they're like all they all have like their own roles,
more or less.

Peppy supposed to be the
advisor.

Slippy is the one that tells you
you know how much health and enemy has.
Falco is the one that tells you the secret paths.
So every time that there's a secret path that you can take,
he'll tell you, hey, follow me.

And just like Dave is doing now,
he's gonna tell you how to get to the secret boss.
Now that you say that.

Yeah, well this one, you're
right.

It it never clues in to me on
this one because I already know what it is and I don't know, it
just looks like something you can do.
That's.

I think that I think that's one
of those ones where back in the day where you would just stumble
upon something, it's like, oh, there's there's, you know, Half
Moon things here.

Let's just let's try and go
through them because that looks fun.
And then it takes you somewhere.

I can't remember which stage it
is.

There's another one where he
says something specifically.

Follow me.
Yeah, he like, there's a there's a like, 'cause as soon as you
say that, like, I'm remembering these times where like, he just
has these, like this panicked lines, 'cause he sees something.
And like, Oh yeah, that's totally what's going on, is he's
the secret guy.

But what I think on some of the
levels is he just say kill everybody, Fox, we got to kill
them all 50 kills to get a medal.
Let's go Genocide in the I think the other one that Dave's
talking to is Sonis, 'cause I think he's the one to tell you
shoot down all the lights and don't let him spot.
You.

Yeah, that's great.
That's one of them.

Yeah.
There's another one too, where I think.
I think it's the only where the.

I don't even know what the name
of the levels are.

I should have it pulled up.
Describe.

Now it's time to play.
Describe.

Describe the the.
Co Host.

It's in space.
There are ships and lasers.

There are ships, lasers.
And.

I mean that that takes out like
that narrows it down to like five or six, yeah.
Actually, that's kind of true, right?
Yeah.

Yeah.
Thinking that it's that's not what it is.
It's the one where where the.

I think the stuff is broke, all
this stuff is is broken up and then I think it's a stage with
the.

Check directs check direct so.
Yeah.

Where you go?
Up or down or left or right, I think at one point.
OK, so.

Yeah, that's.
The one why?

Because that's the second level
that's what we're about to be going to, right?
Yeah, that's sector Y.

Sector X is the one that splits,
where you either take out like and a whole bunch of artillery
or you go and shoot the gate so you can, Oh yeah, shoot off into
hyperspace.

Yeah, yeah.
And then Z is the one up top where the missiles come out and
the enemies are extra aggressive.
Yes, right, right.

It's I.
So that's what he does.

And it it's OK.
But I still think that unless he's like, specifically says,
like, follow me or I'll take the left, you take the right, like
unless he says that to me,

Pepe's the most useful out of
the three I like.

I like seeing a health bar.
It's reassuring to me to know that I'm actually.
No, he's the hint guy.

Slippy's the health.
Bar Slippy's The Health.

Bar Sorry, that's what I meant.
That's what I meant.

I mean he he, his dad built the
submarine.

You know he's important.
He's Let's get some love for

Slippy, yeah.
Flying a torpedoes.

Yeah, all the torpedoes,
Infinite torpedoes.

In that.
I don't hand cramps.

I don't hate that level as much
as I hate Zonus though.

The cat level, The Searchlight
level.

So the thing, the thing about
the the Searchlight level, that it looks poopy.
It looks poopy, right?

But I just, I don't like playing
in the submarine personally.

It it's just too you.
I think if you could use like a more standard weapon than having
to shoot the torpedoes every time because they're kind of
slow.

Yeah 'cause you can lay on the
laser, but you might as well just you just got to be like
spamming torpedoes.

Constantly.
Often the the enemies can't like they're all armored underwater
for some reason like every single one.
They're like use the torpedoes.

It's like, OK, but do I have to
like, I know you passed them saying you're packing them, but
do I have?

Thank you for packing them.
How did?

How did they just, like,
continuously regenerate?

Yeah, I that's.
A good question.

Yeah, that's what they that's
what they do, right?

Isn't that?
Yeah.

There's no, there's no count.
It's not like the bombs or whatever, right.
So they just it.

Has an Infinity symbol on it.
Yeah exactly.

I I I don't like that level
either one because I think it's no I I don't know I I think it's
pretty it's pretty hard because it's also very crammed at points
much more than other levels and it's dark and everything and you
know if you play it on the on the actual 64 and and not on on
Switch it's it feels even darker because the one on Switch
everything is sort of a little bit brighter it feels a little
bit I don't know what they've done to sort of like glam up the
64 on on Switch online is is pretty good I think things look
look pretty good on there most of them.
So I very legible, yes.

Yeah, exactly.
And I think that helps a little bit, but I had a hard time
seeing sometimes and that's that's probably part of why I
was terrible at that stage and definitely died at least twice
so.

Yeah, they also make you want to
light up everything with the torpedoes, but the problem is,
once you shoot a torpedo until it hits something, you're out of
torpedoes.

So if you have a bunch of
enemies in front of you that you need to take out, you're not
gonna do anything.

Slivvi's back there, making
another one for you.

On the fly, yeah.
Just quickly quickly creating them.
Yeah.

So what do you guys?
OK.

So going through some of the
stages and stuff like that, the first one I think is a pretty
good stage setter.

I think not only does it sort of
give you different things to do as far as like you know, locking
onto characters and throwing a couple bombs and maybe going to
the the sort of you know, actual boss, secret boss, whatever you
want to call it.

All these different sort of
scenarios that you can get in.

And I think that just the way
the game is presented, whether it's that stage or not, like
just the way everything starts, it just feels to me, it feels
pretty epic, even though it's the most simplistic level or one
of the most simplistic levels.

And I just every time I boot up
this game, you know, you start from the beginning and I have no
problem playing that first level over and over and over again.
It's a good secret tutorial.

Yes, that's.
Like, Nintendo's really good about, you know, introducing you
to, like, what you're gonna be doing and not you.
Not realizing that running in the sewers and in A Link to the
Past is like, you're being taught things, 'cause you're
like, oh, cool, there's just like rats and stuff down here.
My dead uncle.

That's true.
Secret Detroit.

That is everything I said over
the course of like 5 sentences could have just said, just been
said very concisely like what you did.
So well done, Sir.

If you if you do the fake boss
in in level 1 without you know 'cause you know what you're
doing, that is an all range mode boss, so you get to see that
too.

Yeah, that's right.
That's right.

I forgot about that.
Yeah, and then on the flip side of that, if you don't do that,
you get the mission accomplished, you go to the next
level, the end boss of that one is an all range boss.
So it.

Covers its bosses.
These they this.

One with.
I hate that one.

Yeah, two Gundams flying around,
Yeah.

They're they're hard to hit.
Yeah, they're hard to hit and that.
First bus is like stupid easy though.
It's kind of like you hit his leg, he just falls and he just
sits there until you kill him.

See, I didn't realize that the
first time I I I played it with with my neighbor.
So we just tried to keep hitting the battery pack while it was
standing.

And somehow we got really good
at doing that.

I can't do it now.
I try.

I try, I can't do.
It.

I should have tried actually
because I bet we did.

I bet I did the same thing at
the time because naturally you see it, you know, flashing when
you hit it and you're like oh that's the that's the hit point,
right.

You're going to go for it.
But but this time I did exactly what Jiggy said.
I just like I gotta take out the leg and that's it and it's over.
It takes like one bomb too though and then like he's gone
like it's it's fine.

It's OK for it to be easy.
It's just the first stage and stuff.
But but yeah, I I.

How do you guys feel about?
So I played the I played the the lava stage.
Solar.

Yeah, Solar.
That's it.

Yeah, I played that a couple of
times and I think I used to hate it because it's like constantly
the heat and it's chipping away at your your Health and stuff
like that.

I after playing a couple times
like, OK, I get, yeah, no, I'm good.
I like this.

I like the sort of extra
strategy of it and everything.

A couple of points you gotta
make.

Yeah, a couple of points you
gotta make sure you hit the brakes without being told to hit
the brakes.

You really gotta maneuver around
and be more careful.

And I I like that it's it's not
easy, but that's that's OK.

And you're sort of halfway
through the the game at that point anyways, at least, I don't
know you guys thought if if you guys enjoyed that one.
Well, I mean like, and even the,

I don't know, lava birds or
whatever.

Like.
You wanna like, take out as many as possible?
Because you're right, health is a factor.
Yeah, this baby can take temperatures up to 9000°, but
you're gonna need to be getting a lot of of silver, you know,
rings and stuff like that to keep your health up.
Yeah.

I think it's interesting too
that like, the lower you go, the more it chips away at your
health.

I thought that was.
An interesting I really like that level.
Yeah, I like the boss in that one.
Oh yeah, yeah, the boss is cool.

It's like, just like a lava
monster, right?

Like, yeah.
Giant lava monster, yeah.

That that level, it it takes
your health up to a certain point, 'cause once you get close
ish to the boss, it kind of stops.
Unless you're really low right?

And it it's an awful level to
get the metal at.

It sucks to get the metal in
that in that level, 'cause you have to get 100 kills.
And unless you're spamming the bombs, you're not doing it.
Dude, it takes so much.

Yeah.
The good thing is that it's a good.
Yeah.

Yeah, the good thing is that
it's a good, like refill level.

You can refill your bombs really
easily, get the three rings, spam a couple of extra ships,
but you just got to keep spamming bombs nonstop.
And it's very good, 'cause the bombs are very useful in
Macbeth, especially at the beginning of Macbeth.
Oh, yeah, But yeah, yeah, yeah.

I I have this habit of not using
my bombs enough.

Like I I don't know what it is.
I don't know why I don't.

I have that you want to.
Be conservative about it.

You want to hold on to them.
You're like, what if I really need these?
What if I really need them at the point that is right now that
I really need them.

I don't know why.
What if you need them even more later?
I'm just, I'm I'm too conservative.
That's that's the problem.

Oh yeah, no, I am playing the
the Aquas level here, which probably means I'm going to die
in a couple minutes.

You know, you eat a couple lives
in Aquas every time and it it just, it's going to happen.
Yeah, the So that's the one thing that I don't love about
this game.

If if you like the one thing
that it's like, I guess you could call it annoying.
Like especially if you're towards the end of the game and
you die and you have to reset your lasers essentially and all
your sort of health, that that sucks.
That really sucks.

And it and it just makes it so
much harder than it should be like.
That's that's the old school, you know, top down or side
scrolling, shoot em up.

Like when when you are just
playing Gradius and like you have the Victoria Viper
completely decked out and you die.
It sucks.

Like I just reset the game.
Like I just lose that quarter.

I'm done.
I don't want to play anymore.

Like I want to go back to the
beginning of the game and get my my cool ship.
Yeah.

This is so if you noticed.
Oh, sorry.

Go ahead.
Oh, it's going to be quick.

So if you noticed, there's a
slight change in gameplay, not only with the missiles and how
slow it is, but when you shoot in the submarine you only shoot
once.

When you're in the R wing, every
time you press the button it does a three burst laser.
Yeah, so that also adds to the frustration of this stage that
you can't just spam the laser, you have to spam both laser and
torpedo non-stop.

Yeah.
So that muscle memory is is different like your reaction.
Is.

Yeah.
Like it?

Yeah.
Like it feels like a curveball.

The first time I played this
stage, it felt like a ginormous curveball.
I don't think.

I think I wasted all my my lives
the first time that I played it in this stage cause.
Wow, it's.

Yeah, it was very different.
The underwater 1, the Aquos or

Aquos is, is definitely the most
challenging for a number of reasons like we've talked about.
So yeah, Jiggy, what were we going to say?
I I was just going to say piggybacking off the game also
punishes you for being a bad pilot.
So if you were playing like

Venom in particular, like the
one side of Venom that you go in, it'll have things like
columns that shoot out of the wall and you have to maneuver
around them.

You have to know where they are,
and it'll constantly try to chip your wings.
And if you lose a wing, you also lose your shot.
She's like so not only if you lose, you lose your shot, but if
you suck as a pilot, you can lose your shot even if you
survive.

And you're penalized because the
the item that gives you your wings back would have been a
laser.

It's it's the laser upgrade.
But if you don't have wings, they it's the wing upgrade.
So you're screwed even more.

Even further, when your wing is
gone, your your ship starts like leaning toward one way, which
makes sense, but it's still like you gotta account for it, so
you're slightly holding the left or right to try to compensate
for it.

Yeah, I had.
I don't know if it's this particular run that I'm playing
while we're talking here or another one.
I think it was even yesterday or something like that I did the
the sort of the the hard route if you want to call it that.
I I did pretty well through it and you know no, no big deal.
Maybe died once in the underwater cause.
Of course it did.

But but at the end.
You're gonna drown at least once.
Yeah, at least gonna have.

Yeah, the the Andros in that is
where he's the brain with the two eyeballs and the the
electrical.

You know stuff seems simple but
you always get hit by the electrical.
I I had a hard time with it, like just, or at least getting
back into how I needed to do it.

And both my wings were clipped.
I had no health left, and I shot the part of the brain that you
need to take him out right as I was about to run into him and I
was like, Oh no, 'cause Fox does the yell.
He goes at the end as if you're dying.
But he does that.

I I think he does that anyways
because everything explodes, never give up and it never
gives.

You.
Oh my God.

I'm so strong my.
Daddy, you you had that happen.

Acid blew up.
Yeah, and I and I beat it and it it it worked like I I hit him
right at the like he needed nothing left and so did I I had
no wings.

The fires coming out of the side
of the R wing and everything, and I'm like, oh man, I got to
do this again, Papa.

I can't catch you.
My wings are broken, Papa.

Yeah.
Oh, so, so then it what?

Do you think you feel so stupid,
like you're flying and you're like trying to like you want to
show your father that you've you've, you know, your
experience, You're a much better pilot than he last saw you and
your ship's all damaged.

You're just like.
So that's.

So what happens is you go into
that segment where it's basically, you know, getting out
of the Death Star, essentially escaping the Death *,
essentially, and your ship is back to normal.
You have both wings.

It resets your ship.
OK yeah.

So I was like, thank God, 'cause
that part, you have to kind of keep up your speed a little bit.
You have to follow him.

Which way he's going your which
way your dad's going and everything.
And I was like, there's oh man,

I beat that.
But there's no way I'm gonna be able to do this, 'cause I knew
it was coming.

And then there's my ship with
both wings.

I was like, all right, thanks.
James was nice enough to bring you an extra pair.
Everyone's packing everything extra for me.
I can't do it myself, clearly.

Well, that's the easy mode.
That's the easy mode.

Yeah.
So, so where did James go at the end?
I think it was all just in his mind.
Really.

I think Fox is just crazy.
Yeah.

So it's a brain Real.
It's a.

Lone bounty hunter flying out
into space.

Yeah.
Yeah, he's alive.

What if?
What if he was the real villain of Star Fox Adventures?
That would have been great.

That would have been awesome.
That would have been way cooler,

Yeah.
That would have been way cooler, yeah.
I gotta play.

Yeah so, so as far as the like I
I like doing the the the hard the hard route up the side.
The levels are are weird and really difficult even though I
hate him.

But I think when I finally
settled when I was playing this game a lot, my go to route was
to go up sector Y and that but then cut up to the dogfight
planet with Bill.

Yeah and like the the like the
Independence Day ship basically scenario.
I love that level.

I love the Solar and Macbeth.
And then for Macbeth if you hit all the switches you can get
back onto the difficult path and like get true ending, which you
know, Venom, Venom, you know, easy ways.
Like, yeah, it's fun, but like I wanted another Star Wolf fight.
Like I wanted to go through what is Area 31 or whatever.
Area 6.

Area 6.
Yeah.

Yeah, best age in the entire
game.

I love that level.
Yeah.

Why?
Like, so I get to go through these.
Like, I love the the three middle, medium difficulty levels
I think are all really cool.

Yeah, especially the train
fight.

The train fight is dope.
Man, I so.

I love that the first couple
times I played, I just avoided that stage, 'cause like, I just,
I don't, you know, feel like doing this sort of the ground
levels all that much or whatever.
And then I did it a couple days ago and I was like, oh man,
this.

I should have played this level
before.

This is a good stage.
It's not like the greatest thing ever, but like it works better
than the other ground stage I think.
And and it's, yeah.

Which way better?
Yeah.

Yeah, which also sucks to get
the metal at that.

Titania is awful for the metal.
A lot of them are pretty tough.

I got a couple by accident.
I wasn't trying to.

I got a couple by accident sort
of towards the the beginning half.
I can't remember which one, which ones it was.
It might have been the asteroid and.
Well, I can confirm that you got coronaria and sector wide based
on what happened.

In your.
Oh, OK.

So there you go.
That's one of them.

There you go.
That's probably actually the run that I'm thinking of.
Then maybe it was this.

One, I loved it.
Anybody else loves Sector X 'cause I loved like either route
that you went, you, you'd fight the giant robot, or you'd hit
the gates and like, teleport.

And it was just so.
It was so cool.

Yeah, that one.
That one's a lot of fun.

I I like those stages.
That one.

And oh man I I keep getting the
the stages mixed up.

But those those ones where the
level is you know the the pieces are kind of flying by you and
the level the stage is kind of flying by.
You know whether it's it's man, whether it is is it.
Oh no maybe it is Macbeth I'm thinking of.
I just, I like how those stages can shift around you and
everything and and even if you play that stage back-to-back in
your runs, it's probably going to feel a little bit different
'cause you might turn a little bit more left or go down or
whatever, even though the enemies are coming the same way.
Like there's this is essentially a rail shooter, but stuff
changes like it's not exactly the same.
They find they find a way to make it interesting each time,
no matter what stage you do, and

I think that's part of the
brilliance of what this game offers.
Yeah, a lot.

A lot of the old schmups are
very pallet swoppy, so.

It also has a a bunch of
secrets.

In pretty much every stage, like
at least the first couple of stages, there is a way to take
an alternate route in in media the the meteor stage, there are
these blue rings.

If you hit all of them, you go
into hyperspace and you get shot to Cortana.
Right, right.

Forgot about that, Yeah.
I think stuff like that and I think I missed those to to speak
to Star Wolf because you can have I believe 3 battles with
Star Wolf and the first one is on Vechina if I'm reading it
right.

And then if you do that you can
actually you can either go to

Venom on the hard route or you
can go to bowls, Bowls say.

I don't know how to pronounce it
like satellite thing.

And then they'll reappear, and
when they reappear, they're all like bandaged up.
And I just love that little detail like it's.
Awesome.

So and and balls.
If balls.

Balls.
I like it.

Balls.
No, we're going.

We're going with it.
We're going to go with it.

So that if there's any survivors
from Fushina, they'll appear there.
If you kill all of them and you go the hard route through Venom,
all of them show up.

Whether you kill them or not,
they all show up.

And like you said, they're all
bandaged up with like medical gel and shit and you fancy
ships.

Yeah, the ship thing is cool,
too.

How do you like our new ships?
Like, I love that It's.

Like you can barrel roll now
What the hell?

Yeah.
I tell you though man, like when you're doing those all range
mode stages, especially like against you know, against them
if you have your blue laser, if you have your full-fledged, you
can crush those guys.

If you're behind them in the at
the right time, like they just disappear.
That's the thing about Starfox 64.
You can get stupid good if you know how to play and you know
you know, OK, so if you can get

Max laser, you keep a couple
bombs on spare you can beat things stupid fast, which is
awesome, like that sector Wi-Fi.

I mean if you if you can map out
where they're going to be and just kind of like loop back.
You can take them out.

Super, super fast.
Yeah, you you can.

But man, like, the stage is
awesome.

The stage from start to the boss
fight it, it's awesome because you're just going through a
space battle the entire way and then you get to the boss and
it's three of the regular enemies you've been fighting the
entire time, but they move faster.
Like couldn't you think of something else?
That's true.

That's true.
It's not not the most creative when so much of the so much of
the of the game is.

Otherwise, you're kind of like,
wait, why wait?

Yeah.
Like in So Honest you fight a a a trash collecting pirate that
shoots barrels and cannonballs at you.
So good.

Awesome.
So good.

Yeah.
Like who?

Who are these guys?
Why are they like, why are they joining the the fight here?
Like what?

What does this guy have to have
to gain from this?

Like what?
I mean, he wants to salvage that.
Sweet, sweet diffuser.

I guess he's like he's like a
character from followed or something like that, just
looking for all the tech.

Just got to grab it all so that
you got everything you possibly can.
Yeah, OK.

I can see it.
Yeah, I can see it.

I.
Mean we showed up on his planet.

Like, come on.
Oh, that's true.

For real.
Yeah.

We we are the problem.
Yeah.

Hey, Luigi, I I I know you're
looking at at this footage.

Why don't you like this stage?
This is.

Oh, I just, I love the stage
that just the the Searchlight to piss me off because I just would
always miss one.

And you're in the middle of your
run and it's not like the switch now or you just rewind it real
quick to get it, you know.

And you're like, all right,
well, I guess hopefully next time I'll get it.
I guess I'm doing the hard route again 'cause I got to, I want, I
want to get it today or something.
So it's just you always you miss you always miss one.
It's like, ah damn it, I know.

Yeah, well that's what they
want, right.

They want it to be like you got,
you got to just like there's always a couple that are a
little too little extra out of reach.
Same thing with the with the train level with the switches.
You know, it's it's kind of the same thing.
There's there's one or it's like two or three maybe that are
during the boss fight.

That's tricky.
Like what?

Yeah, like you're you're messing
with him at that point.

Yeah, yeah.
You're not, you're not worrying about the about the fight
itself, right?

It's it's the last three and the
first one Falco gets for you, but the other two and the
Switcher you have to hit on your own.
Yeah, the Switcher you have to do yourself, Yeah, yeah.
Behind like doors and stuff you have to blow out of the way or
or.

But once you get it.
Open or stun.

I can't stop here.
You'll never defeat Andros.

Breaks, yeah.
Also be one.

Point that you could probably
the biggest rumble in history.

It is, OK.
I was just gonna say that it is.

It's the largest explosion in
the entire game.

The most points you can get and
like for any one like shot basically.
Is that what it is?

It's, it's.
It's like 51.

Yeah, it's. 50, yeah, 51, yeah,
yeah, that's, you know, the the first time that I, I saw that my
cousin heck him over, he's like,

I'm going to show you like a
very big explosion.

Nice this game.
I know all of the explosions and he shows me like the switches
and he's like hold the controller.
I'm holding it and it hits the the depot and explodes and I'm
like.

What?
It was mind blowing as you had been playing that game for
years.

Did you go?
Almost.

Almost.
I can't remember who does that anymore.
The other thing about about this stage is you guys I jiggy, I
think you mentioned Bill a little while ago.
Cat shows up in this.

What do you guys, what do you
guys think just in general of like the extra characters?
Jiggy.

What do you think?
Do you like?

Is it is it cool to have them
showing up and stuff, or is it kind of like, yeah, OK,
whatever, there's kind.

Of there I think it's it's it's
always cool to get allies, but I don't like having to save them.
At the same time, it's like it depends what I'm doing.
Like in this stage where it's very linear, I do not welcome it
because I'm like just let me do my thing.
I don't want to have to like pay attention to you at all.
I don't care about you at all, but in stages like so if you
help her on this stage or whatever, if you beat the if you
get the mission accomplished right or whatever.
I think if you get accomplished, it shows up next.
When you get to Sector Z, she'll show up and actually help you
hit the missiles, which is welcome because it's actually
helpful, you know?

So when they're helpful like
that, it's awesome.

Like if you help Bill and all of
them and Catina, then he shows up later.
I don't remember what stage off the top of my head, maybe.
Solar He's he shows up in Solar and he just like helps you kill
a couple of enemies so you can get some help.
Yeah, he's and then in sector X he helps you to unlock the gates
so that you can go into.

That's the.
Whole thing, yeah.

Yeah, and Kat will show up in.
Just shows up once, right?

Like or or she.
Will show up in both of the level, I think.
I don't think she just shows up in Z.
She'll show up and and help you if you go the other way too.
I think it's Macbeth and she just shows up near the beginning
and takes down a couple of enemies and then disappears.
It's nothing the problem with.

Her The problem with her showing
up in Z is that if you're looking to get the medal for Z,
she automatically takes down one of the missiles.
So that's you're basically locked out of getting the medal
when she does that?

OK.
Oh, OK.

Oh no.
Oh man, it's gotta.

Be quick.
That sucks.

Gotta be quicker than her, but.
That's it's hard, right?

Because you're paying attention
to five other things, yeah.

Right, Like the enemies in that
stage are very aggressive and they will take down your team if
you don't help them.

Yeah, and without her it's a
pretty difficult stage.

I think.
Like it's it's definitely for me it was at least anyway from when
I was replaying them, but I I like, yeah.
I like it when your friends show up.
Yeah, I think it's fun.

I like it when other animals
show up and say dumb animal noises and and like they they
talk about their history or whatever, like, you know, yeah,
it's fun.

I I think.
About their history.

They they create this little
narrative and like, you start wondering like like, oh, Bill
and Fox were friends in elementary school or something,
You know, I'll go cat, what's going on there?
Because like when you're a kid like you, you think about that
crap because because you have like you're playing this game
all the time like OK well I wonder what is is about these
people.

And like I think it's so crazy
that like Nintendo just they had something like like this could
have been huge.

Like they could have done story
or something with this and or had these characters that people
just love and Revere and still reference and like are in the
pop culture and they just did nothing with it.
That's true.

They they sort of let.
It then they they explore it in the game that nobody played
right and and command for DS you have a bunch of different
branching paths that you can take and that's where they
explain oh and Andros had a nephew who hated him and not a
nephew, a grandkid that hated him and wanted to kill him.
Fox and Crystals explained more and Falco and Cat and Bill and
Fox and all that stuff.

But.
So we gotta get a re release of that then that's what I gotta
play Yeah 'cause I'm like.

Like, OK, here, here's the
thing.

Let.
Me.

It's Fire Emblem Starfox.
It's awesome.

I said it again, though.
Enough.

Yeah, like it's one of those
games enough.

Gimmicks.
I still prefer like in my mind.

I I love Starfox 64, and I got
Starfox Command being like, Oh yeah, it's good to be Starfox
64.

It's the new, it's the new
Starfox 64.

It's on my DS.
It's going to be amazing.

And then it was like, it was, it
had those moments, it had that, a little bit of it, but it was
different.

It was fundamentally different.
And it wasn't bad.

I think I'd appreciate it now
more than I did back then because back then I was like, I
this isn't Starfox 64.

Yeah, you know.
Well, that's what you want.

That's what I would have
expected too if I if I had it at the time, I think what I didn't
realize until I was looking up sort of how the the some of the
stuff, but when the game was made is that those extra
characters, regardless of who they are, like Bill and Kat
specifically, they added those super late in the development.
So maybe they just didn't have the time to do it sort of thing.
Like maybe that was part of the problem is they just weren't
given the opportunity to do much with it.
It's not a super long game, so there's only so much you're
going to get done.

But, and maybe that's just an
excuse.

But I wouldn't be surprised if
you know Miyamoto, who's like, hey, we need extra characters.
That would be fun.

Let's go more MPCS that they're
just like, well, what do you?

We have more space on this
thing, yeah, Yeah.

What can we cram in here?
Somehow we have more space on this thing.
Let's find a way to add more and.
But Miyamoto son, we're trying to figure out how to make the
Rumble pack work.

Look at this train level we
have.

It'll be epic.
I mean, I don't know who was.

I mean, I assume Takeda's team
or something, or I don't know whose team was on that, but I
could just only imagine them like maniacally walking in with
the like, yes, here, use it for this.
This'll be great.

It's like standing back there.
It is Imamura, Imamura and

Marita.
Is that how you say his last name?
What?

Which R&D number?
I don't know cause Kazuki Marita and Takaya Imamura began working
on the game in 1995.

S actually, when you really
think about it, they were not really given that much time to
make this game.

I don't think it's two years,
it's two years.

Apparently the whole like add
the add the extra characters thing happened in 1997 when the
game was released.

Like that's how short of a
timeline they had.

So that would fundamentally
change at least a couple of these stages and that's wild and
they they figured it out man they've they figured it out.
So the other thing I want to I want to talk about is sort of
how the game looks too because we've talked about Jiggy you
mentioned and Chris you guys were mentioning sort of how the
the character faces and stuff like that.
Yeah.

So they.
Yeah, They specifically, I think it was Miyamoto that had it.
Yeah.

I have the note that, yeah,
Miyamoto suggested that they want things to look more
animated and less real.

So they specifically made them
look like puppets because that's what he wanted.
And I I don't know, I think it works.
It doesn't need to be a perfect thing, but.
But I think, I think that was pretty a pretty good choice in
my, my opinion.

I don't know if you guys.
Care.

I I like them.
Like, I don't know.

I I like the the design in this
one.

Yeah, the cutesy cartoony stuff
is is cool too.

But it's a.
Little bit in between.

It's not, you know, it's it's
not really cartoonish or anything.
It sort of has like a sort of balance there, yeah.
I think it's a good looking game too.
Mm hmm.

Yeah, it is.
It is looks good.

The the puppet look really works
for it, especially when you see them looking around and just
like a puppet with no emotion or anything in their eyes.
That's true, yeah.

I mean it.
It conveys it well.

I I also find it pretty funny.
I just had it.

It just came up on the on the
video I'm playing too.

Let me see if I can find the
Fox's response when they start some of the stages.
I found really funny 'cause his response is so short to like
reacting to the scenario like I don't know if I don't know if
this is one of them.

The enemy army is gunning for
you.

Be careful.
Don't.

Worry Sir, I forgot about these.
That's it.

Don't worry, Sir.
Yep.

That's it.
Not like what's happening.

What should I be prepared for?
Or you know, what area we got?

Don't worry, all right?
I mean, I you got it, I guess.

You know, it really speaks to
how terrible of a character

Slippy is when he gets knocked
to Titania.

General Pepper's like, just
leave him, let him die.

Yeah.
I can't afford to go after him,

Stop, Hawks.
Fox like I can't leave sleepy hanging.
I can't leave him hanging.

Yeah.
Oh my God, that's so.

Funny favor to his father.
I think yeah Jiggy, you're right.
I think this game, I think it looks pretty good.
It's a fast moving game, especially on these sort of on
the open stages, the full range modes as you will and it's you
know not overly populated in some of these spots.
But there's a lot going on.

There's a lot moving and they
they there's no, I don't know, I

I didn't experience any kind of
sluggish play or slow down or any of that kind of stuff.
I know it's every once in a while that happens in some 64
games, but like, it's just always been like a flawless
experience every time I've played this.
Only slow down is when you use the brakes.
Yeah.

Yeah, that's right that, yeah
that that tanks the the frames per second.
Everything just also cool sound effect too.
Like that's a cool, like, yeah.

And then the sound and the music
in this game are awesome, you know, including the voices of
the characters.

I think, you know, I think the
thing growing up was like, oh,

Slippy is so annoying.
He's always whining, he always needs help, but everybody does.
He just has a high pitched voice.
That's the difference, like.

Oh, Falcon won't stop whining.
You know, he's he's so annoying.

Yeah.
He's I I don't think there's any difference there.
I to me, to me, they're all the same.
But I don't know if you guys feel differently.
You know, pilot Place, Yeah, I I was really upset when I found
out the first time that they give you money when you finish
it.

Oh my God, yeah.
General Pepper signs a check and you never actually get that
money and you never can do anything with it.
It would have been so cool if they would have let me buy the
wolf and and just fly the wolf and throughout the game that
ships the sign is so sick.

Yes, they are cool.
Yes, those are really cool designs.
You're right.

That's true.
I I completely forgot about that.
I completely forgot about the fact that you they stamp your
your bill like a or your invoice or whatever.
Like that's that's what it is, right?
Is it?

Like, yeah, it's an invoice.
Yeah, I couldn't tell.

I could never tell if it was
like us getting paid or them like looking at how much damage
we did or giving us a bill or I yeah, I I just never knew.
I'm pretty sure it's us getting paid because it says like
services rendered or something like that, I'm pretty sure.
Oh, I can.

I can find it.
I gotta find it then.

This is well, I guess this is
worth the price of freedom.

Yeah.
So it could go either way when it.
Yeah, it could go either way when he says that right.
It could be this is the price because of what you did, or this
is the price because of what?

Cost, I guess.
Here's your check I guess.

Sir Well, I.
Don't know if he asked Fox.

That was just me ad living so.
Him telling Fox just know that this is the money we were going
to use to rebuild Coronaria after you destroyed it.
I don't live there, so that's cool.
Sorry buddy, sounds like a you problem.
I don't know.

We want me to do about that,
right?

I live in a.
Giant Am I going to get reelected now?
Your father would have never charged this much.
And that's why he's dead.

He.
Couldn't pay.

His I'll never make the same
mistake as him.

My father doesn't know what's
going on.

He doesn't get it.
Come on, you old fart.

My father wore the same pair of
glasses for 20 years.

His vision was awful.
I don't know how you let him fly a ship.
Look where that got him.

I think.
I think the more I think about all the other characters the
more I realized that actually maybe maybe great Fox is
probably the most useful because of all the because they always,
you know, it's it's always tossing you the the little boxes
and at least in a stage like this like where you're trying to
take out the missiles at least it.
Gives you a hint.

As to what's going on, you know,
like it's getting closer or there's one on the you know,
whatever, whatever the the descriptions that he gives you,
no one else does that.

No one else is.
Doing that.

Have you guys ever failed this
stage?

Yeah, I didn't this time, but
probably back in the day probably.
Yeah, and it breaks the wing.

Yeah, that's so cool.
And then it keeps it through for the rest of the game.
So even in the end credits when you see the start, the the great
fox taking off like the whole wing is missing.
Oh, really?

Oh, OK.
So it doesn't take the whole yeah, it.
Just kind of.

Hits the side.
Oh, OK, that's cool.

Is.
It like it hits it and you see kind of like like a mesh and the
wing is missing and I think when it hits it, it has electricity.
After that it's gone, but it still has the the mesh and
damage and stuff.

Interesting.
OK, nice.

The cool thing in Area 6 to
piggyback off the Gray fox stuff.
It actually will attack the enemies.
It'll be like we'll we'll lay down support and it'll like,
shoot a bunch of yellow lasers that are like super effective.
It's it's awesome.

It feels bad ass.
Right.

Rob just rolls in as like, I'm
hard as fuck, I'm going to shoot them.
Stand back, children.

I've got this.
And the the cool part is that when he takes down those ships,
it still gives you full points for taking them down.
Oh, does it Nice.

Nice.
Yeah, see?

That's what I'm.
Standing close to.

Like, you know, screw coronary
like I have.

We have this giant mother ship
to live on.

Like, I don't, I don't need to
fix coronaria.

That's AU problem.
Pepper.

It it doesn't, it doesn't seem
like.

I mean, they're definitely not
interested in in sticking around, for sure.
But also like, yeah, it's almost like, look, look what we got
here.

What else?
Like, really willing.

To go hang out with some
dinosaurs now.

I don't know if you know this,
but I got pals with dinosaurs, so it's happening.
Although he hires us for that too, doesn't he?
Yeah, he does.

That's.
It OK man.

I'm so not not knowledgeable
about what happens after this game.
Like my experience?

Is Starfox.
Don't worry about it.

It's not Canon.
Well Canon or not, whatever the story is, I just, I I think I
played this game so much and and had an SNES as well, that it was
just those two games.

And I don't know.
For me, like this is all I need.

I just need this game like we're
we're talking about it and we've talked about almost every aspect
of the game and I've played it 10 times in the last couple
weeks.

I just want to play it again
like I just.

Yeah, it's fun.
It's just so fun, even though I may have played all of these
stages at least a couple times in the last couple weeks, like I
don't know why I'd want to do something else.
I mean, it's just great design to like, have the branching
paths and like to have all these different kinds of, like, you
know, whether, you know, it's a cool way to do difficulty, but
it's just, it's just a cool way to to have a game.
Because this, you're right.

This is just like a run game.
Like, I'll, I'll, you, you finish.
All right, let's do another one.

You know, like, let's keep
playing.

Whether I actually want to get a
medal or not, Like, I just want to get better at the game.
I just want to keep playing, do another run.
Yeah, it it's a rail shooter and somehow it's super interesting
and super fun and has a lot of different things to to dig into.
Which is what makes Starfox

Assault so insulting, as it's
just like this, just like 10 levels in a row of like, you
can't.

There's nothing you can do about
it.

You just got to keep going.
Like there's there's no choice.

There's no fun.
Boring.

I did.
I did a couple.

Times multiplayer that I love
the multiplayer in that.

Yeah, that that was good
multiplayer.

The multiplayer's great.
What about the multiplayer in this?
Did you guys do that growing up?

I did.
I did it.

Yes, did it.
Sometimes not.

Not that often, but played it
all solo this time.

Yeah.
No.

Yes.
No.

Yeah.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna it's it's not.
If you had any other stages there's like is there 2?
There's two is Granaria and

Sector Z.
Yeah, one's all R wings.

The other one you can actually
be in the tank too, but it's or on foot.
And on foot.

Mm hmm.
Yeah, if you get there.

Yeah, they're so like just Foggy
and you can't see much and it's way too big for the amount of
players you typically have.

Yeah.
It could have been more I think.

I think Co-op would have been
way cooler.

That's see that's what I'm I'm
thinking is like you're already a squad like why not squad up
Because yeah the the dog fights with your friends always end up
with just like you.

You both doing these like big
wide turns trying to turn out turn your friends.
And like it was always one of those things where like we'd
maybe play a round or two in case we like we forgot like oh
maybe we should try again.

Or like at the beginning of the
birthday you have the sleepover or whatever like play around to
Star Fox Oh yeah, this sucks.

Put something else in.
Yeah, my brother and I played like recently.
I went back home and we played multiplayer just because we're
we were bored and we're like, let's do it.
And we did.

And the match lasted a
ridiculous amount of time because we we just would come at
it and I'd get a couple shots, you get like one shot and then
we'd pass and then we'd do this and then we'd do this and then
we come back and it was just, it was it just took forever.
I'm happy to see it in I-1 though.
It's an good job.

It's an unintentional air show,
is what it is like that's.

Because that's what it is.
There's no pacing like there's no tension or drama to the to
the multiplayer because exactly what you're saying, even if you
have four people, eventually you will be down to two people and
it will always be like.

That it.
Will be exactly as you described every match and so like you
know, I don't know.

They kind of fixed it on the on
the 3DS.

They since they added auto lock
on on 3DS, it made it so that somebody's always going to win,
it's not going to stay in.

Right.
Well, at least they did something.
I mean there's.

At least.
They did something question that came up on on a different
podcast that I think Luigi and I were both on the What Was Cool
podcast last year, I believe it was in the fall or in the summer
of 2023.

We were.
We were both on that separately, but we were both on on the
actual.

Final we were we were the
guests.

We were the guests on that.
The call we both called in separately.
Yes, the question that those guys have so they're gonna steal
their idea is when you're doing a barrel roll or when you're
turning, are you using the Z or are you using the right bumper?
What's the habit, Chris?

What's what do you Z?
OK.

Z Yeah, hang on.
Yeah.

Hang on.
Pick up the controller, yeah.

I I I feel like I I tend to lean
toward RA little bit more, actually.
See now, now they were saying that the Z button automatically
spins if you press it once and the R button you get to press
twice.

And I don't think that's right.
But I always went with with R and and I use both Z&R because
it, you know, you tilt it to to do sharp turns, and sometimes
you need to do a sharp like like when you're like in solar, there
are times where you want to be in the top corner of the thing,
'cause there's there's a huge deadly wave coming at you.
So yeah, like I I definitely.

I think I tap R / Z usually, but
I use them both to steer.

Yeah, I use.
So I use both to steer, but I definitely am am tapping that
sort of you know trigger if you want to call it that because I I
just think that ZED, ZED is exactly what it is.
That's right.

That's right.
It's a Zed.

I'm pressing.
I'm pressing that because all of my movement just instinctually
is is just coming from my left hand.
I guess when I'm when I'm doing that, I I don't know.
I don't know if that's that's sort of why why it happens.
But, but definitely with the turning and everything.
Wow, I'm getting my ass kicked in this boss right now.
I'm terrible.

Do you think that the trigger
would be the shoot button so?

Well, maybe that's part of what
it is.

Maybe that's part of what it is.
You think, but it's not.

I wonder why?
I wonder I just didn't want the layout.
I don't know.

I don't know.
I am, I'm sure.

Where else are you going to put
the?

Where else are you going to put
that leaning that way?

To the?
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess if that's a a crucial part that
they wanted to make sure they had, then, yeah, you kind of
have to do it that way.

That's true.
Yeah because the the, the break and turn with either the R or Z
is is incredibly useful when you're fighting Star Wolf the
second time because if you do a a a loop, I don't I don't
remember what Pepe calls it

Wolf, it's a somersault.
Thank you.

When you do when you do a
somersault in that in that final fight with Star Wolf, Wolf will
just veer either left or right and then do a somersault right
behind you.

So and and you basically are
forced to like break and turn as quick as possible so that you
can get him.

I love the character building
with that because the first time when you fight him, when you do
it, he goes, what the heck?

Yeah.
The second time, he's doing it too right?
Yeah.

He says that's so.
Crazy.

He's like, what the heck?
That he's trying to to goad you on by telling you that you're
good, but he's better.

But yeah.
You must have pigma being.

You must have pigma there being
like.

So.
Yeah, I think they have their equivalent, so those.
Guys.

Oh, that is upsetting.
Yeah, I wonder if there is, is there an equivalent of those
guys and they just all, you know, they all have their own
peppy and Slippy and Falco must be right?
Oh yeah, they are.

Rooster Chase.
That guy, man, I mean.

If you I.
Don't want to think about that.

Even even their their their tech
guy is like a little is it?

It's he's a lizard, right?
I can't remember his.

Name.
I think Leon. 'S there.
They're the fighter.

I am the.
Is it because don't they pair off?
It's like Andrew is with Falco.

Andrew's the Slippy.
Andrew's oh, Andrew's the.

Slippy because because they're
the they have a they're like the the Nepo higher there, there.
Isn't Doesn't Andrew turn into a politician in assault?
What?

He turns into a a dead robot.
Yeah, but before that, isn't he like a a a politician?
So you could make the connection that the slimy politician is
following around the slimy amphibian or to a feather.
So it makes.

Sense, right?
I like it.

I like it.
Yeah.

Those guys are blast the one,
the one guys.

Everyone's got a funky name
except for Andrew.

Seems to be the only guy, yeah.
That's true.

I know, Andrew.
I always laugh at that.

Like, I don't know.
I don't get it.

Like, why is he the only one?
Just like.

I don't know.
I I love him so much.

He sucks so much.
He does such like the whiniest like my dad's gonna like gonna
tell you what the that's.

Exactly what he sounds like too.
Like he is just Oh no.

Uncle and Ross.
Someone gave me a ginger ale.

Oh man.
You are having a rough time,

I'm.
Having a rough time with this this invisible A.
Little bit of anxiety watching you play.
This is one of those bosses that

I have faced so.
Many times.

I don't know if it is.
Actually, I don't.

I don't know.
I don't know if I need my wings to be successful.
Oh, you're out.

No way.
No way.

Look at that.
No health.

No health whatsoever.
This is what happened.

I think probably at the end too.
Like I.

That's the other thing is like
you, you we've played all three of us have, or three of us, all
four of us have played this game so much.
You know what you need to do in all these bosses, all these
fights.

You know what you need to do.
And yet, somehow I've played this stage 40 times.
Now now you do.

That all in one single laser.
How did?

Single laser there's.
No way you got that in that one.

Cycle.
Yeah, Lord well.

Done.
See.

That's crazy.
There's no way.

Well done.
Look at that.

No way.
What you didn't see was he cross faded that footage him doing the
exact same thing later.

So there was like a slight
little edit there.

Yeah, that's the health part
does.

Look a little.
Clever editing, Dave.

My skills are insane.
If we check the audio file, we'll see the evidence.
Yeah, that's.

Right, Yeah.
Carfox on that.

I think, yeah, I think overall,
obviously we we love this game.

I mean this game is just is just
incredible, right?

If there was anything like if
they if they remade this, like is this a game that they should
remake or should we just kind of leave it alone?
Is it that kind of game I?

Don't.
They've done it already.

I mean, yeah, I guess.
Zero is a remake.

So is the 3DS.
One, I guess the 3DS one kind of is yes, right.
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.
But that one's like a straight remake remake.
And that one came out in that time where Nintendo wanted to
remake their 64 games for the 3DS and they wanted to keep them
as faithful as possible by keeping the glitches and
everything in them.

So that is just straight up
Starfox 64 with a new coat of paint and better multiplayer.
Right.

And the multiplayer, like you
mentioned, Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, I think it'd be cool
to see it with like, you know, flashier visuals.
Is it necessary?

No, I think that's.
I think that's really what it comes down to because now so
many games are remade regardless of which ones they are, or they
call them remasters, remakes, whatever you want to call them.
And they just feel like, well, all you did was the visuals.
And it would need to be more than that.
Maybe there would be the story stuff like you guys were talking
about, or maybe there'd be an extra stage or something that
was cut at some point.

I don't know.
But I just think this is just one of those games that doesn't
really need it.

It doesn't.
I don't think.

I don't think it needs a remake.
I think we need to.

I think we need a new entry in
the Starfox series.

Yeah, but I think we need Donkey
Kong before this.

So.
That's my $0.02.

Maybe.
Look, I'm gonna leave those two cents on the ground.
Yeah, I I mean, I I like, I love me some Donkey Kong.
But unless it's.

I just it needs to be another.
I I don't know.

I just love.
I mean, I don't.

They will both.
Both of them will be made by someone else.
So if a Star Box game gets made, someone else, Nintendo will not
be making it.

They will be involved, but won't
be making it.

Donkey Kong gets made.
They will be involved, but they won't be making it.
So we could get them both at the same time if they did something.
I mean, the problem is that I don't think Nintendo has the
balls to do another Donkey Kong 64 type game.
That's true.

That's true.
I mean, they did, they made, they made Mario Odyssey and
it's, it's amazing.

It is fantastic.
I just say like, damn good game.

It's just moons everywhere.
Moons everywhere.

Do you love Mario Odyssey?
Great game.

Yeah.
Am I the only one that thinks that game is just kind of OK?
I don't know, Maybe that's just.

Me.
Yes.

Yeah.
It it has, it has moments, 1%.

Yeah, I'm just not doing 1%.
Whole lot.

It has those moments where
you're just like, I'm just like finding moons everywhere.
And then it has moments where like, you've just taken you
just, just.

I have my jaws on the floor.
Like, I can't believe what I just did.
I can't believe what just happened.
Like I it it's unbelievable.

Yeah, there's.
Jump pump superstar.

Incredible.
Incredible scene.

Yeah, yeah, That's.
Weird cried.

Starfucks 64, everybody.
If you haven't played it, please, please play it.
Please.

If you've gotten this far, and
you and you, you know nothing about this game.
Just just fucking play the game.

It's it's, especially if you
have it on.

If you have Switch online, you
have the expansion like pass or pack.
It's just pick it up and give yourself 45 minutes, an hour at
the most and you'll get through a run.
Don't have to do it perfect, you don't have to do the hard run or
get all the secrets or whatever.

Play the whatever you're able to
do through it and just just enjoy yourself.
This game is is awesome. 'Cause this is a run based game,
like, you know, yeah, boot it up, it's 45. 45 minutes.
Yeah, keeps your high score.

Clock myself out.
Yeah, keeps your high score.

You can go and like, you know,
go back and see if you can improve the next time and all of
that stuff.

Someone else can play it.
You guys can share your score like it's all it has this like
arcadey feel without it being at the arcade.
And I think that that's a good sort of, yeah, balance that it
strikes too.

It's it's amazing how much stuff
is hidden in here for you to just find.
In a lot of ways I think that way about this generation is you
know there's just stuff could be anywhere.
Like anything could trigger a secret.
Like these worlds are big.

They're they're three DI.
You got to look everywhere and find all the stuff.
And so like, you never know like what's real and what's not.
Right.

Right, I I have a a tradition
every New Year's.

As soon as it hits 12, I pick up
the 3DS and I run through

Starfox 64.
I have to, and that usually opens up a can of worms, because
then I'm stuck the next two or three weeks just replaying
Starfox over and over.

Again.
And I started a counter last year.
I beat the game 38 times last year.
This year I'm at 1516 because as you can see like T VS right
there and I work from home a lot so all I have to do is just turn
the chair around and if I'm on the DS and working on the on the
kitchen table or something I I.

It's.
It's too easy to to stop working and just do something better and
play Starfox.

Oh yeah, it's this is this is
that game, this is that game for sure.
Jiggy.

Any final thoughts?
Go play it.

Go play it.
It's a great game.

It's a it's an excellent game,
just a great single player experience that is very hard to
match on on this console I would say.
And I'm really happy we got a chance to Hey, someone stole my
my star thing to what the heal me.
What?

What was that?
I was.

Oh, I was so ready for you to
get that.

What is that?
Hold on, I'm going back.

You can't fail more than once.
Sending OK location.

Confirm sending supplies.
There's the Where's the?

Where's the.
That was not fair.

Someone stole it.
Pretty.

Much oh, swear.
It is.

I missed it.
Shoot it.

Shoot it.
I'm about to die.

I'm about to die.
And then I I do the loop and it's gone.
Oh, that is not fair.

No, not fair.
It's awesome.

Oh.
Man really could have used that.

I think I could have used it
because I'm thinking, you know what, Twice.
Because I'm terrible.

I do.
I do have a final thought.

I do have a final thought.
You should play it with this with an actual N64 controller.
It really works really well with an actual proper N64 controller,
whether that be the Nintendo wireless one for Switch Online.
But I did play it a little bit with the Pro Controller and it
just it feels icky.

It's.
It's.

It's not there.
It's not right there.

You know what I had a hard time
brakes and stuff.

Yeah, when I when I played
similarly because I mean it's it's not a pro controller.
But when I played it on Switch online I ended up just doing a
handheld cuz I was like OK I'm not gonna go find the doc and
whatever most of my Switch game in his hand held regardless.
But I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that the
I don't know if it's.

Is it the R or is it the Z or Z?
Is is the the sort of?

L2.
L2 and then the other one and then the R is is R1.
Yeah and I go backwards, Yeah it doesn't mean.
Why can't they both?

Why can't they both be the same
thing?

I don't understand that.
So I was trying to do like the hovering for example, with the
land on the land levels and I'm like just tilting and that's it.
And I'm just like, what the fuck?
Like where?

Where's the button?
Like where is.

There's only two buttons here,
but somehow I can't find the one that I need and I don't know
why. 'Cause the ones on the back and
the ones on the top and the side like the bumper, like there's
only three on the 64 and so they're.
Yeah, yeah, so like like Jiggy said, regardless of how you play
it, I think if you have a chance to use an N64 control scheme and
controller, it's it's the way to go for sure.
For sure it makes sense.

It makes really bizarre like the
joy con.

It's like the left like rather
than being like left and down.

It's like the C buttons.
It's like left is I'm trying to map this out.
It's like left is B or something and then up is technically the
left C stick or it's like really?
Well, the C buttons are just the the joystick.
The C buttons are just the joystick, yeah.
Before emulation is a nightmare because of this.
Yeah, so if you hold the R1 and you can use the face buttons as
the CC button.

Oh, that's what it is.
You have to.

Yeah.
OK.

Yeah.
That's.

It feels gross because when
you're using, if you're not using that then you have like
the boot boost is on top on the top button and the break is on
the IT.

It's super.
It feels super wrong because when you're holding it in the 64
controller, you know the button

C button is break and then you
know the left one is boost.

It's.
It's totally fine I.

Pulled up an image here.
I pulled up an image with the joy, cons and B here so BA are
normal right?

And then this is this is left.
So this would be your your.

The X is left.
Yeah, or And then this is down.

So this would be your break.
Yeah.

So the the X button at the top
would be your break.

That's what it says.
That's dumb, no?

I just I just use the I just use
the the other joystick and that's it and just didn't mess
around with other stuff.

I just keep it simple.
I know that for the most part I

I need the brake more than any
of the other ones.

I'll just hit down if I at least
for me anyway.

That's that's one of the the
ways that I did the all range mode levels is if you want to do
that loop, I would hit the brake to make a tighter turn as
opposed to hitting boost and going faster and further.
That's the way I I usually did it.
That's my my habit at least.

Whether it's the right way to do
it or not or most effective, I have no idea.
But Oh no use the bomb.

Use the bomb.
He's going to eat me.

There, Andrus is a scary boss.
Well, yeah, look at.

Those eyes.
He is kind of scary, yeah.

And then when?
He It's the jowls.

Yeah, Yeah, There's just
something wrong about it.

Look at me going with no wings
again.

I'm resilient.
I'm probably going to die.

OK.
So guys, thanks so much for for being a part of level 50 episode
50.

The 50th.
Well, I guess technically yeah 50th 49th game that I've I've
covered on the show.

Remember 64 will will be keep
going right.

I don't know what the next like
huge title's gonna be, but.

Banjo Kazooie.
Banjo, don't make any promises.

I'm not you just.
It's gonna happen.

Sounded like you needed a
suggestion.

I just.
I just don't have the time right now.
I want to.

I want to.
I want to.

I want to and if anyone's gonna.
Be gonna play that game.

You haven't played that game.
No.

What?
That was definitely something you're gonna have to be.
On the show for now.

At that point, I was like, yeah,
I don't think I was.

Into.
It I wasn't playing a lot of, like 3D platformers.
I had beaten Mario 64.

I I got all under 20 stars.
I threw it in the closet.

I never wanted to see it again.
Like it just pissed me off getting all 120 stars that I
just didn't play any 3D platformers for a while.
And then the first one I picked up was Donkey Kong 64.
And no should I should have picked a Banjo Kazooie instead.
So for you and your specific podcast, yes, Banjo Kazooie is
the one you should pick up.

Although donk going 64.
Actually, speed running is pretty dope.
Donk going 64 speed running is ridiculous.
It is a lot of fun, so much you have to do.
Well, you can just do stupid things like like lanky can
bypass every level standard, every boss fight.
You can just clip through the floor and get into.
Lanky Lanky can stretch his hands out of bounds behind a
door and hit the door trigger and go through the door.
Watched a video of someone like the angle like off a certain
ledge on DK Isle and they just fly up into the sky and they can
just like get to the end of the game.
That game is busted.

It's hilarious.
Go go watch some like speedruns, or go watch some like explainer
videos or something like that.

Also, DK 64 randomizers are a
lot of fun to watch.

Oh, there's so many things to
randomize.

I don't comprehend what's
happening, but it's funny to watch.
I did a live stream and did a randomizer and it was so you
have to utilize Lanky's like bypassing of level doors because
you're just you go to warpad and you show up in like creepy
castle and you're like, I don't have any moves to do anything,
what am I supposed to do?

And then you rely on getting
something from Cranky, and he gives you like, ammo for your
weapon you don't even have.

Oh, this is great.
Like, Gee, thanks.

Randomizers often turn into like
the Hall of Fame of speed running tricks.
For a game like, you'll see things from Ocarina of Time that
have been used since like 2007 get pulled out to be like, well,
I gotta jump past this thing.

I guess I can use this one thing
that we use for like a month until we found a better way.
So it's like seeing it's like the like the hall, like seeing
the like old tricks that are dead now come back to life.
That's fun.

That's that's cool.
Like that's.

Yeah.
And and those those types of those those it's just it's all
different anyways right.

Like you're not you're not.
I mean I guess in some ways you're you're gonna see the same
thing twice but like you're yeah

I gotta I that be I should look
I should look that up with with this game with Starfox.
Never mind, there's probably lots lots of great stuff with
that.

Oh, the the speedrunnings for
the speedruns for Starfox.

They are insane.
Yeah.

Mm hmm, they are.
I I saw one from game's Done quick yeah.
Is that the the big thing Yeah.

And.
The Yeah.

The the dude got like 500 and
something kills on sectors on on area 6 I was.
What?

Insane insanity, it it was
crazy.

What you end up doing is so
anytime you kill multiple bad guys, yeah, you get extra.
You get like an extra point on the end of that.
Yeah.

And the way you do that is by
like shooting your charge shot, but then like trying to detonate
it before it gets there so it does more of an AOE instead of
taking out like one or two guys.

Yeah, you have to shoot it
without locking and then you have to detonate it before.
Oh yeah.

So it's a ton of.
Crazy.

And then you just like in Sector
Y or or, yeah, Area 6, you just start cranking up the points.
Damn.

Oh, yeah.
OK, so I got to start doing that.
I got a couple actual medals.

So now I want you always.
What?

I've always dreamed of getting
all the medals, but I never did it.
I it's hard.

Area six was the particular
level.

I could never get the medal.
I think it was the last one I needed.
I just couldn't.

Get area 6.
You have to focus on the satellites.
Longage, you take down all the satellites and the the big
ships, you're good.

It's it's 300 and it's doable.
You can pretty you can pretty much hit it in in the third act
of the stage before the the final boss fight.
Damn.

Well, I stuck.
Well, I mean, I I'm nodding.

But I haven't done that since I
was 12, so don't worry about it, man.
Like, it's cool.

I just I always wanted.
I never played, but I always wanted to unlock the on foot in
multiplayer like that was that was like a.
Shot the dream.

Of mine.
I've just never done it.

I know it doesn't look very.
It looks awful.

I've somehow shielded myself
from seeing what it looked like until like, the last month.
Like my whole life, I've never looked it up or anything.
I've just, I've always kept it as that, like childhood mystery
that I was wondering.

And then I saw it and Slippy was
like running around.

I'm like, wow, that looks awful.
Yeah, it's funny.

It that's really like, that's
the best, like unlocking that is funny.
Yeah, it's really there for the shades.
Yeah, it's it's a fantastic game.
Everyone should play it.

Oh, and I just pretty much took
out Slippy there and.

As you do.
As as as I do, even though I find him to be, I find him to be
the most, the most useful.

It's comforting to know that I'm
making progress on a boss.

I think that's pretty much what
it comes down to.

I need.
I need a little bit of little bit of pat on the backs, that
kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah.
There you go.

That's all it is.
Slippy's the boss.

Slippy is the boss, so we have
to save the boss.

Yeah, shoot.
Him down.

First and foremost, Chris,
thanks so much for for being on the show, buddy.
And oh man I've been listening for a while and love your show
told and I I messaged like hey if ever please consider me and
I'm I'm happy did because I always love talking star Fox
dude.

Awesome, man.
Let's why don't you tell everybody about a little bit
about a novel console.

Yeah.
So basically it's a show that I do with my wife.
We talk about books, games and food and whatever catches our
attention during the week.

She reads the books, I play the
games, and then we try to make fun of everything.
It's.

It's mostly childish adult
stuff, so please don't let your little kids listen to it.
Because it it it would be really bad if little kids learn how to
be people from us because we are not meant to raise children.
But yeah, no, we we cover everything.
Specifically, people love the garbage because that's where we
go to restaurants and talk about the food, what's good, what's
bad.

And yeah, it's pretty much a
novel console.

Nice.
Amazing man, Mr. Luigi's apartment.
What have you been up to lately?

How are you?
How's everything?

How's how's, how's the how's?
Hi.

Hi, how are you?
Thanks for.

Coming back, man, we we just
talked to Mario Tennis, so if anyone hasn't listened to that.
Mario Tennis was just a couple of episodes ago, so that was a
good time.

Also, play that game, especially
if you have a few minutes to kill.
That is an excellent time.

So thanks for coming.
Back Yeah, you can find me these days over at Need for Speed
running to show and make with a couple of my friends from Games
Done Quick and my buddy Brad.

We look at like kind of the
watchability of different speed runs on the main episodes.
We do commentaries on speedruns and and be like, you know how it
would feel to someone who is either just getting into
speedrunning or knows a little bit about the game or like what
would this run be like, you know, how legible is it really?
Like can you tell what people are doing?
Is this too much information and kind of dig into that, you know,
from that angle and then sometimes take apart 10 hour
long Final Fantasy 10 runs.

So, yeah, come check out Need
for Speed Running.

Speed runs are fun.
Video games are cool.

I don't know.
You're cool.

You're all very cool people.
So.

Oh my.
God, thank you.

Oh my God.
Oh my God, I was talking to listeners.
But you're cool, Dave.

Oh, oh, I was just taking it for
myself.

I just, I need, I, like I said,
I need that support, man.

I need that support.
You deserve it.

I need that love jiggy.
What's up, man?

How's things going so far?
What are you up?

To Things are going great, just
the usual grind.

Got a cool DK64 video coming out
going over.

I did a cool collab with a a
fellow DK 64 Defender on YouTube and we're doing some DK 64
mysteries.

Oh, mystery.
Oh yeah.

Is it like clue?
Is it a murder mystery?

Well.
Did you find Dixie?

Did you find, Did you find
Dixie?

Yes, please.
We didn't find Dixie, but we did.
We did cover some things that people probably have never
thought about.

OK.
And some things that people have thought about and been very
curious about.

But sometimes I'm like, am I the
only person in the world that has ever thought about this?
And I'm happy to say that when I put out these videos, people
come out of the woodwork and they're like, I've always
wondered about that too.

I'm like.
Great.

My people.
Finally.

Amazing DK 64 man.
Jiggy look back on on YouTube is where you can find all that
stuff.

And wait, yeah, thanks.
Yeah, no worries man.

I got.
You.

I got you.
I got you.

Hey, I always forget about stuff
too, like I did already with this episode.
To to plug to plug the show at the beginning.
Remember 64 show across the board, on social media and on
Patreon as well.

That's where you can support the
show and help us do 50 or 150 or 250 or however many times you
wanna hear me ramble on about this game.
We're starting to run out of games at that point.
Yeah, yeah, there's. 280 somewhere around there.
Yeah.

Two.
Yeah.

I guess around 280.
I was gonna say 280 something.

Yeah.
Isn't the library 388?

OK, maybe.
OK.

I'm pretty sure it's 388.
That's a very specific number, but.
I'm calling the 80.

I'm I'm calling the middle
number as an 8.

As an 8.
That's what I'm going for.

Yeah.
And I think that includes.

Like.
Japanese words too.

Yeah, 3D eight sounds, right?
Yeah, I think I'll see if I survive.
That long I think Japanese release products at 394, I'm
pretty sure.

I'm never gonna make it.
I'm gonna be in the ground by then.
There's no way.

And if we cover more mods?
And if we cover more mods, something we want to keep doing,
Yeah, exactly.

That's right.
Because so far, you know, we've had Smash Remix as an episode,
too.

Like that's.
That's an important.

It's cool stuff.
And yeah, it's.

You got to, you got to do Dragon
Ball Kart.

Oh shit.
Well, you know, one of the things that that one of the
games to play is obviously Doom 64 and Doom is like just the
modded game.

I know not maybe not
specifically Doom 64, but there's mods in every aspect of
Doom you can think of.

So that's one of the ones that
like you just kind of have to do like certain games.
It's just you have to you have to follow it up with some sort
of you know the mod community, just like the speed running
community is is huge and thriving and awesome and does
cool things like that's it's important to sort of to talk
about that stuff too right.

So it's fun Let.
Me let me say I have been doing some community game nights and
recently we did Super Mario 64

Co-op Deluxe.
And.

That was amazing.
And we did hide and seek and we made our own rules.
Like you go into a level and I was getting it was getting so in
depth because you can change your character's color palette
and so I would go stand and Bob on battlefield like against the
wall and change Mario to like the orange palette of the wall.
And just be like.

Flat against it.
It was awesome.

So much fun.
Yeah.

So like like stuff like that is
great.

I mean you're not going to, we
wouldn't have, we have would not have been able to experience
that back in the day.

Why not revisit these?
You know what I mean?

Like, yeah, it's it's a really
cool way to revisit the game, not just play the game itself,
but what what people have done with them after that.
So that's everything that we're going to keep covering on.
Remember 64 gentlemen, thank you so much for joining me.
Go play star Chris.

Go play Star Fox again for
another 65 times if.

Oh dude, I I I did it right
before we started and I'm pretty sure that I'm going to go back
to it once we get off this call.

Honestly, I think I'm.
I think I am too.

I think I might.
I think I might.

I'm going to shoot for a couple
medals over the next couple of weeks.
I think that's, that's my goal.

It's too hard.
Like you said, it's just too easy and it's just too fun to
not not go do it right.

So.
All right, guys.

Thanks so much for joining me.
Thanks for being on the show.

And just like your father.
Thank you, everyone, for listening.
We'll see you next time.

I remember 64.